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Old 02-12-2012, 11:08 AM   #46
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Ok .. you are never going get this solved till you understand what we are asking.

We have to know what black and white wires in that receptacle box are incoming power ... forget the up and down description. Point them out in the picture.

Then I need to know where the two wires in the ceiling fan cable are connected.
im trying to answer the questions you guys are asking as best as i can.

by the ceiling fan cable you mean the black white blue and green?
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:11 AM   #47
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To the OP......Correct me if I missed something but I just read every one of your posts and I don't see where you mentioned that the fan will in fact run. You are trying to troubleshoot with 2 unknowns here, will the fan run and is the wiring correct.

the fan and light do not run, it is a brand new unit. before i came on here i wasnt sure if i wired it correctly because it wasnt working so i bypassed the switch and outlet by running a 14/2 directly from the fan to a power source off my circuit breaker box just to see if it would work then. i was getting power to the unit but the unit did not work, thats why im trying to also figure out if there is something wrong with it internally
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Well, you really need to get the fan working before worrying about the wiring. You can change wires around until you are blue in the face and not get anywhere.
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I don't know your setup there but I would wire up a temporary cord to the fan and plug it into a working outlet before I did any wiring troubleshooting. Cutting the end off of an extension cord is an easy way to make a quick connection but it sounds like you already did something like this directly to the breaker.
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What you've got is a 4x4 junction box with one of these adapter plates to turn it into a device box:


There are 3 standard depths of square junction boxes: 1 1/4", 1 1/2", 2 1/8". According to HD's site the device lip is raised 1/2", so I'm assuming you measured from the lip to the back of the box and thus have a 1 1/2" box. Now with just the box, both the 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" boxes are too small. But the HD site also states that the adapter adds 3.5 cu. in. of capacity. This is just enough to make the 1 1/2" box large enough. So if we assume that all adapters add roughly the same amount, then you're alright for box capacity. However, I'm not sure how valid an assumption that is. Hopefully, folks with some more experience can weigh in on this one.

I've attached the box fill calculations below if you're interested.



Box Fill Calculation:
- Conductors: 8 volume units (1 for each hot/neutral entering the box)
- Device: 2 volume units
- Ground: 1 volume unit

- Total 11 volume units.

- 14 gauge wire => 2 cubic inches per volume unit
- Total 22 cubic inches.

Box Capacities from NEC Table 314.16(A):
- 4x1 1/4" square: 18 cubic inches
- 4x1 1/2" square: 21 cubic inches
- 4x2 1/8" square: 30.3 cubic inches

Box Capacities including 3.5 cubic inches from adapter plate
- 4x1 1/4" square: 21.5 cubic inches
- 4x1 1/2" square: 24.5 cubic inches
- 4x2 1/8" square: 33.8 cubic inches
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I'm going to agree with zappa. If you wired directly to a power source and the fan did not work then there may be an issue with the fan.

I assume there are pull chains and the fan probably has 3 speeds ? Speed switches on fans are very picky and cheaply made ...does it appear that the switch is functioning when you pull the chain?
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by the ceiling fan cable you mean the black white blue and green?
With all the going back and forth, I believe there's still confusion about whether the pictures had the new wire for the fan in them. I believe at this time, it's best to say that:

1) The pictures only showed the old setup.
2) The pictures show the following cables:
-- Existing power coming in
-- Existing power going out to more receptacles
-- A switch loop for the bottom half of the receptacle
3) You've confirmed that the fan is dead, by attaching it directly to power as zappa suggested.

At this point, I think it's best for you to return your fan for a working one. With your new fan, give it a quick power test before you start wiring things up. Assuming it's working, wire it up as suggested and see if it works as expected. If it doesn't take more pictures and we can help you from there.
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Well, you really need to get the fan working before worrying about the wiring. You can change wires around until you are blue in the face and not get anywhere.
exactly that why i wanted to get it working before i actually wired it
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I'm going to agree with zappa. If you wired directly to a power source and the fan did not work then there may be an issue with the fan.

I assume there are pull chains and the fan probably has 3 speeds ? Speed switches on fans are very picky and cheaply made ...does it appear that the switch is functioning when you pull the chain?
it has 2 chains, one does pull rough actually. the one from the light seems to pull just fine. is there a way i can test the light out as well by itself?
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Take it back down so you can work on it in comfort or exchange the unit like lost shadow suggested. Do you have an old extension cord you could cut or make up a cord and plug it into an outlet? The fact that the light doesn't work is a BIG red flag.

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it has 2 chains, one does pull rough actually. the one from the light seems to pull just fine. is there a way i can test the light out as well by itself?
Yes .. just connect the blue wire to the power source leave the black capped off at the fan and of course connect the white of the fan to the white of the power source.

Then just use the chain for the light on and off.
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Take it back down so you can work on it in comfort or exchange the unit like lost shadow suggested. Do you have an old extension cord you could cut or make up a wire and plug it into an outlet. The fact that the light doesn't work is a BIG red flag.
ok i will do that and get back to you guys soon. iv been on here and staining a door but im more worried about this, i really appreciate all the help
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Yes .. just connect the blue wire to the power source leave the black capped off at the fan and of course connect the white of the fan to the white of the power source.

Then just use the chain for the light on and off.
do i need a ground on the extentsion cord or can i use like xmas light x-cord that has 2 prong
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It worked with the extention cord!!! The light and fan! So i did originally wire it wrong! Im glad it isnt the fan. Any suggestions now? i want the switch that i have to control both the fan and light and not the outlet.


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