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Old 01-04-2011, 12:56 PM   #16
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Is this gas range outlet on a dedicated circuit?

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Old 01-04-2011, 01:16 PM   #17
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There was a light there but I used it to hang a light over my pool table.
Yes the range is on a dedicated circuit, and it's not a 220v.
Should I tap into the pool light instead?
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There was a light there but I used it to hang a light over my pool table.
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Should I tap into the pool light instead?
OK, getting confused. You took a light fixture down from one room (the kitchen), and put it up in another room (for your pool table)?

If that's the case, then you have a hole in your kitchen ceiling with wires in it. What are the number and colors of wires within that ceiling?
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:19 AM   #19
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Hello all, I'm new here (first post).
I'm going to install a ceiling fan in my game room and I'm not sure which romex to splice into. The room is next to the kitchen. Can I splice into any wire? Any problem with using a GFI outlet?
Thanks, Kris

OKAY, I think I'm back on track; sorry. You want to replace the existing ceiling light in your Game Room with a ceiling fan, correct? If so, describe the wiring in that fixture (in the Game Room).
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:01 AM   #20
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Do you have the typically required 7' headroom between the blades and the floor?
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No. There was all ready a light in this room when I bought the house. I just replaced it with one for the pool table. So the new fan is in addition to the light. The fan is going where nothing has been before. It's a big room with a 15+ ft. vaulted ceiling. When we run the heater all the heat is just sitting up there.
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Jim,
Yes plenty of headroom.
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:24 AM   #23
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Okay, if I say anything that you already know, I apologize as it's not clear the amount of experience you have, but it does seem that you are less familiar with code - and at least you're asking questions to learn what you don't know, that's a good thing.

Feeding your new ceiling fan off the same circuit as another light in the same room sounds like a better idea than using the same circuit as anything in the kitchen.

The requirement for the small appliance receptacle circuit in the kitchen to not serve anything other than the kitchen doesn't seem to apply... NEC requires 2 circuits serving countertop outlets which don't serve anything outside the kitchen. Any additional circuits are allowed and those may serve outlets outside the kitchen (except not in any other kitchen).

This is from 2005, which was what was still being used in Michigan a week ago but I think as of Jan 1 they might have gone to 2008 NEC which I haven't downloaded yet.

(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served.
In the kitchen, pantry,
breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling
unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch
circuits required by 2l0.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and
floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop
outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for

refrig~ration
equipment.

70-52
Exception No.1: In addition to the required receptacles
specified by 210.52, switched receptacles supplied from a
general-purpose branch circuit as defined in 210.70(A)(1),
Exception No.1, shall be permitted.
Exception No.2: The receptacle outlet for refrigeration
equipment shall be permitted to be supplied from an individual
branch circuit rated
15 amperes or greater.

(2) No Other Outlets.
The two or more small-appliance
branch circuits specified in 210.52(B)(1) shall have no
other outlets.

Exception No.1: A receptacle installed solely for the electrical
supply to and support of an electric clock in any of
the rooms specified in 210.52(B)(1).
Exception No.2: Receptacles installed to provide power
for supplemental equipment and lighting on gas-fired
ranges, ovens, or counter-mounted cooking units.
(3) Kitchen Receptacle Requirements.
Receptacles installed
in a kitchen to serve countertop surfaces shall be
supplied by not fewer than two small-appliance branch circuits,
either or both of which shall also be permitted to supply
receptacle outlets in the same kitchen and in other rooms
specified in 210.52(B)(l). Additional small-appliance branch
circuits shall be permitted to supply receptacle outlets in the
kitchen and other rooms specified in 210.52(B)(l). No smallappliance

branch circuit shall serve more than one kitchen.

So if you're goign to splice into the pool light, you have access to the power feed? (i.e. if it's switched from the wall, you might need to connect at the switch rather than the light unless you want to operate both at the same time?)
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So if you're goign to splice into the pool light, you have access to the power feed? (i.e. if it's switched from the wall, you might need to connect at the switch rather than the light unless you want to operate both at the same time?)
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Thanks for the info, I'm pretty handy with the install, just not very familiar with the codes. I know it's a scary combo.
I'll have to see if the power feed for the light is in the attic going down to the switch because i will not be able the fish the new power to the switch, the wall is 15 ft. with two fire breaks inside. Definitely don't want to feed both at the same time.
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So, you did not have an existing light in the ceiling. Instead, you cut a hole in the ceiling and ran new wire; is that correct?

You need to take that fan off the range circuit, and run it to one of the outlets that's not on the kitchen counter receptacles.

Yes, what you did makes it work, but it's a code violation, and dangerous. Please rewire, and correct any false assumptions I may have made.
If the circuit extension was done properly froma SABC it is a bad idea, it is a code violation but it is not "dangerous".

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