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Old 11-20-2011, 09:02 PM   #16
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Brric, what would you use for covers? Plastic?


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I would use plastic/nylon. In the rare chance one is broken it is easily replaced.

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Old 11-20-2011, 09:14 PM   #17
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If you want metal, why not use the metal rectangle boxes? Though those big ones do kinda look cool, it makes the outlet look more important. lol

Personally I'm a big fan of metal boxes, but mostly because that's all I can find around here. They usually go for about a buck. Some are modular, so you can keep adding on to them to your heart's desire, but finding a 4+ gang plate might be another story.
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If you are going to use metal boxes, these have a screw hole in them for a ground wire. And they sell green ground wires which come with a screw attached called "pigtails". They look like this...



Then that screw pokes out the back of the box. If the box is mounted on a stud, then plenty of room for that screw to poke out the back usually. But if the box is mounted on a surface, then the screw poking out the back will keep the box from sitting flush.

You can drill a little hole in the surface for that screw, but if you are installing 3 zillion of these boxes, that could slow down your work... So note they also make a metal box with the screw hole elevated. With these it no longer sticks out the back. Like this...

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Is that pig tail actually needed? I always just screw all the grounds to the box, as they normally have screws already.
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Brric, what would you use for covers? Plastic?


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I am with Brric all the way on this install unless you got money to burn for no good reason.. Plastic nylon covers are fine as he and Jim noted.
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Is that pig tail actually needed? I always just screw all the grounds to the box, as they normally have screws already.
Explain please. Your plain steel boxes come with EGC screws?
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Is that pig tail actually needed? I always just screw all the grounds to the box, as they normally have screws already.
The metal boxes I use don't. And it sure speeds things up to reach in a bag and grab one of those pigtails!

Or take the bag and drop one pigtail on the floor in front of each box, then go back and work on each box.
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Let me guess, you do not do this for a living.

There is cheap, and then there is inexpensive, efficient, and more than adequately safe.
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Explain please. Your plain steel boxes come with EGC screws?
Not sure if they are considered EGC (do they have to be green for that?) but they usually have screws in the bottom. Have I been doing it wrong by taking the ground wire and wrapping it around that screw in order to connect all the grounds? If there's more than 4 grounds to do, I usually pigtail them together first and have one going to the box.

I have seen some installs where the screws to tighten the wires is used as ground, but to me that's kinda awkward to do.
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Let me guess, you do not do this for a living.

There is cheap, and then there is inexpensive, efficient, and more than adequately safe.
You are correct I don't post on DIY for a living. Now, What do you have aginst taking the whips off of his 4' fixtures and wire them up internally without the plastic exposed boxes since that is "inexpensive, efficient, and more than adequately safe"?
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Not sure if they are considered EGC (do they have to be green for that?) but they usually have screws in the bottom. Have I been doing it wrong by taking the ground wire and wrapping it around that screw in order to connect all the grounds? If there's more than 4 grounds to do, I usually pigtail them together first and have one going to the box.

I have seen some installs where the screws to tighten the wires is used as ground, but to me that's kinda awkward to do.
Red, you are CEC, I am NEC. Your boxes have screw terminations ours do not. I was merely curious. I do not want to comment on CEC installs as our rules are different.
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You are correct I don't post on DIY for a living. Now, What do you have aginst taking the whips off of his 4' fixtures and wire them up internally without the plastic exposed boxes since that is "inexpensive, efficient, and more than adequately safe"?
I misread your earlier post, sorry.

However, the fixture would have to be listed for this transition to be legal.

110.3(B) and 410.6 NEC.

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