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Old 09-20-2011, 06:32 PM   #16
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Make sure you put caps on all unused outlets. Sometimes they can leak electricity into the air. These currents vary depending on humidity levels and atmospheric pressure as well as other factors.
That is incorrect. The atomic weight of electrons causes them to leak onto the carpet. If you have certain types of shoes on, you can collect them and zap your little brother.

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Guys, this is a repeat of the same that elocs posted back on 8-6-11.
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Outlets do not draw power unless there is a ground fault created during installation, which is unlikely but not impossible. Also very easy to check by putting an ammeter on the hot line to the outlet when nothing is plugged in, and seeing if there is any current. It is also easy to check the potential current draw of all appliances in the house, you go around the house and note the nameplate amperage and voltage of each plugged in appliance.

Unless the individual who wired the house is grossly careless or knows effectively nothing about wiring, it is unlikely they wired an outlet with a ground fault capable of drawing $120 per month of electricity, but as I stated above, this is easy to check. If you don't have an ammeter, you can check the draw of each circuit by turning off all breakers but one, and noting if the meter increases. The meter should be stationary if there is nothing plugged in, clearly if the meter is advancing, there is power consumption, and the technique I just described can be used to isolate the circuit, and eventually the offending device.

The last possibility is that there is a fault between the meter or the main panel and ground, and you are paying for power loss to the ground that is too small to trip the breaker. This would show up if you turned off the main breaker to the house, and the meter continued to spin.'

So every possibility can be checked with relatively unsophisticated tools.
Sometime in the recent past they switched our meters outside from the old ones that you could watch the dial spin to digital ones. There are 6 meters in a box outside for 6 trailers and the ones on either side of her are not being used. She can shut off her power with the main breaker in her box or outside as well there is a simple circuit breaker switch.

I'm thinking an energy audit would be appropriate, even though she would have to pay for it, but if it indicated where all of her excess energy use is going it would be worth it.

I just cannot explain why her electric bill would be more than mine when she was gone for 12 days out of the month, or why a year ago it would nearly triple from October to November when my was the same. It's a puzzler, and I clearly admit I don't know enough about electricity to explain it.
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Could be an appliance " leaking current to ground". Water heaters and pump motors are typical culprits.

Appliances with heater coils are another.

Bad/sticking well pressure switch.

I usually start there.
Water heater was and is one of my suspects since it is something that would run even if she was not home, as was the case for those 12 days in May. The only things that ran for those 12 days was really the fridge and the water heater.
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I wasn't kidding when I said someone might be stealing her electricity.

I can't see any evidence of that and the houses on either side of her are empty. If not for that yours is a perfectly reasonable supposition.
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Guys, this is a repeat of the same that elocs posted back on 8-6-11.
Thank you for pointing that out. That was very helpful.

The reason I am asking again is after I saw the bar graph from Excel that showed a near tripling of electric use in one month from $62 to $180 when mine was $70 both months. Maybe it was a coincidence, but I was suspicious again when I saw it.
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Thank you for pointing that out. That was very helpful.

The reason I am asking again is after I saw the bar graph from Excel that showed a near tripling of electric use in one month from $62 to $180 when mine was $70 both months. Maybe it was a coincidence, but I was suspicious again when I saw it.
We have given info on what can cause this, you need to troubleshoot the problem.
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Thank you for pointing that out. That was very helpful.

The reason I am asking again is after I saw the bar graph from Excel that showed a near tripling of electric use in one month from $62 to $180 when mine was $70 both months. Maybe it was a coincidence, but I was suspicious again when I saw it.
You are reposting the same questions that you asked in August. Everything you have posted is pretty much word for word. Even back then, everyone gave you the same info, that they are giving you now on what to check for. Personally, I would not place the billing as a issue with the POCO, I would be looking at personal habits.

You can change the date of the billing, but it will not change the habits how one uses the utilities in the home.
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Water heater was and is one of my suspects since it is something that would run even if she was not home, as was the case for those 12 days in May. The only things that ran for those 12 days was really the fridge and the water heater.
You are not understanding what I am talking about. Look into usage, as Greg suggested, and then call an electrician if needed.
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You are reposting the same questions that you asked in August. Everything you have posted is pretty much word for word. Even back then, everyone gave you the same info, that they are giving you now on what to check for. Personally, I would not place the billing as a issue with the POCO, I would be looking at personal habits.

You can change the date of the billing, but it will not change the habits how one uses the utilities in the home.
Thanks again for being so helpful. You are really one in a million and are obviously what makes this board so great.
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Thanks again for being so helpful. You are really one in a million and are obviously what makes this board so great.
At this point, no one can help you, because there really is not enough info to go on. Yes, you are stating that Party B's bill is higher than your's. Yes, you are stating that they are younger. And regardless if she leaves a couple of days, weeks, months, something is happening to cause her to use more electricity. The first clue, no one can tell you, because none of us are physically there to see how they are using their utilities, nor are we able to physically see their bills.

Personally, I would not worry about the other party, let them worry about their own self. If they want to pay a higher utility bill, let them. Maybe after a few months of doing it, they might figure out why. I bet I could give you a clue in why theirs is most likely larger. That would be that they are most likely not paying their bills on time.
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Thanks again for being so helpful. You are really one in a million and are obviously what makes this board so great.
As my wife would say: Buddy, you are a real pill!

Greg is one smart dude. I would take his advice any day.
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Water heater was and is one of my suspects since it is something that would run even if she was not home, as was the case for those 12 days in May. The only things that ran for those 12 days was really the fridge and the water heater.
The water heater should be turned OFF if you are leaving for more than one day!! A leaky hot water pipe can cause the water heater to use LOTS more electricity by leaving it on all the time.

You also said that the power on both sides of her meter was shut off by the POCO?

Did you open the cover of the outside disconnect box to ensure that someone has not tapped into her main service to "steal" power for themselves??
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You haven't mentioned the "rate". Have you compared the rate at which you are each being charged? Trailer parks are notorious for housing renters that skip out on utility bills and therefore trailer parks may be charged a higher rate as are apartments in some areas. Utilities also have the ability to be specific in what they charge an individual customer with a history of slow or non pay.

If the charges are that much different (dwelling to dwelling) and the usage is comparable (as you claim) then there is something wrong with the way the service is being consumed that you aren't aware of.

Are there kids leaving lights on and/or grazing the shelves in the fridge with the door open endlessly?

Are there electronics sitting around idling 24/7?

Are the appliances identical and of a comparable number and efficiency rating?

Based on the way you have now responded to a few people here it is easy to see you are hard-headed and will only accept answers and comments that you wish to hear while poo-pooing the rational comments from those that don't agree with your perceptions.

I'd say your younger generation is probably wasteful and uncaring and unable to control elements of their lives that are sometimes inconvenient for them.

What information are you getting from the other forums you are also posting the same questions on? I'll bet everything is the same there also.

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