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Old 05-06-2013, 10:37 AM   #16
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The real gain is in what you learn from doing it yourself. The first project you do will have this $240 overhead, but then you know for the next project. Also if you're new to it consider getting it permitted. This is typically very cheap... even in California an electrical permit was only like $120. In any other part of the country it's probly going to be even cheaper. The inspector will tell you lots of things you didn't know.

It will take you way more than 2 days to do all that in your list. 2 weeks might be more realistic. But still do it yourself...
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AGREED! Regarding the permits, I am way ahead of you. Permits are a must where I live. If you do not have inspections done, when I sell this house, there will a note on the listing page indicating the lower level was not certified by the city through inspections; therefore, I will definitely be doing that.

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Folding wires properly in a box is an art in its self. Especially when you have outlets and or switches and need to push them back in.
Agreed, I hate 12ga wires for this. 14ga isn't bad though.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:19 PM   #18
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Listening to you, your preparation to date, your desire and interest, AND the opportunity offered you by your electrical contractor (at an absurdly resonable price), I'd say go for it doing it yourself.

Hell, I'd "negotiate" his hourly up to $50/hour. This is a great opportunity for you.

I'm a GC,... my neighbor who is both a licensed electrician and an electrical engineer,taught me very easily residential wiring. As a homeowner, and I guess as the HO's father, I've completely wired 3 homes (from service drops/laterals out to last receptical, under permit both in Colorado and Cali, without any exception.

Yes, I run into a question now and then, (mostly code changes), but just look it up. Yes, I'm not a sparky. Yes, I don't have much experience with conduit and it takes me forever getting nice bends on the very few instances I've encountered. Could I do commercial... hell no... not without alot more learning/experience.

Yes, I think it is our most professional trade requiring maybe the highest degree of professional understanding of complex electrical theory for the very best Sparkies.... but I find it an interesting puzzle when you get to any trouble shooting.

I'm not dumb, but I'm no rocket scientist either... and it is fun understanding electrical. You'll have questions, AND you have a good contractor to bounce things off.

I'm not trying to screw any Sparky out of a living (go on Contractor Talk and half of them, ((actually just three of them)) are "protecting their profession".... and then *****ing about the union.)

But it's a free country (at least presently) and I think you have a rare opportunity and just plain fun learning opportunity.

GO FOR IT

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Agreed, I hate 12ga wires for this. 14ga isn't bad though.
As Tyler notes, you'll learn alot of "tricks of trade". Yes 12 awg is kinda PITA, can't use your fingers and often use tools to loop... and take extra 1 minute neatly organizing in the box.... but you'll learn this... and it will serve you a long time.

My son is no rocket scientist either, yes he's clearly not dumb, but actually he finished up his entire service in Cali with one question telephone call to me, and that had to do with some non-standard wiring of the Ca required exterior fire alarm tied into his sprinkler supply valve/manifold solinoid.
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I appreciate your suggestions and comments regarding doing the electrical work under the guidance of my electrician. The end result based on everyone's help is "I AM GOING FOR IT!". I cannot wait to get started. Your encouragement and insight swelled my confidence. I CAN do this...

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Simply put, electrical work intimidates me because of my healthy fear of the unknown.
Fear of the unknown is a good thing. However if you follow codes and good books, the actual mechanics of wiring are really rather simple and I'm sure you can do it. At the very least, you can do a lot of it, and you might just hire an electrician for the few things you aren't comfortable with.
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Folding wires properly in a box is an art in its self. Especially when you have outlets and or switches and need to push them back in.
Oh come on. This is not early French Renaissance portraiture. It is folding wires for crissakes. It can be easily learned.
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Oh come on. This is not early French Renaissance portraiture. It is folding wires for crissakes. It can be easily learned.
jeffnc:

I agree. Besides, everyone seems to forget I will have a master electrician handy when there is a bump in the road. With that said, I believe this thread can be retired.

Thanks again everyone!

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Good luck HT. Have fun and learn all you can.
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Do it yourself.

You should see me pull my wire strippers from my tool belt. It is an artistic motion and I often take a graceful, sweeping step forward as I perform it.

As I slit the romax with my slitter deal, I often make a hissing noise. It is an art form.

I often toss the wire nuts up in the air, then catch them and put them on the awaiting wire ends, like a fine bartender might flip a glass in the air before mixing a drink. Indeed, it is a performance.

Anyway, just get off your arsch and do it.
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Do it yourself.

You should see me pull my wire strippers from my tool belt. It is an artistic motion and I often take a graceful, sweeping step forward as I perform it.

As I slit the romax with my slitter deal, I often make a hissing noise. It is an art form.

I often toss the wire nuts up in the air, then catch them and put them on the awaiting wire ends, like a fine bartender might flip a glass in the air before mixing a drink. Indeed, it is a performance.

Anyway, just get off your arsch and do it.
And get of my arsch is my plan indeed!
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All,

I appreciate your suggestions and comments regarding doing the electrical work under the guidance of my electrician. The end result based on everyone's help is "I AM GOING FOR IT!". I cannot wait to get started. Your encouragement and insight swelled my confidence. I CAN do this...

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Do it yourself.

You should see me pull my wire strippers from my tool belt. It is an artistic motion and I often take a graceful, sweeping step forward as I perform it.

As I slit the romax with my slitter deal, I often make a hissing noise. It is an art form.

I often toss the wire nuts up in the air, then catch them and put them on the awaiting wire ends, like a fine bartender might flip a glass in the air before mixing a drink. Indeed, it is a performance.

Anyway, just get off your arsch and do it.

Hit4me,,,

Cleveman... Done with great panache....

And Guys... learning residential wiring,at least for me, isn't that much more difficult than learning to double quote on Mr Computer (this was my first try), And, it;s alot easier than lernen spelin en typing.
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Hit4me,,,

Cleveman... Done with great panache....

And Guys... learning residential wiring,at least for me, isn't that much more difficult than learning to double quote on Mr Computer (this was my first try), And, it;s alot easier than lernen spelin en typing.
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Keep us updated, Ht4Me. Sounds like fun experience having a Lic. Pro (hope he's a lic. Master) supervise your every step.

I can't believe one would do so for 30/hr., however.

Good luck, buddy

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