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Old 01-07-2010, 05:23 AM   #46
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The problem is you won't get a CO on an addition unless you have the electric inspected
So sort of a Catch 22
Several people have run into an area where they will not issue a permit
I actually welcome the Inspection (sort of)
I know they won't catch everything, but the Inspector around here is pretty good

I think I have a very good Building Dept
I guess maybe they know me better then most homeowners
Speaking of that... According to the Building inspection department, a certified electrician must apply for an electrical permit. Have you ever had trouble getting a permit?

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And I don't mean memorizing it. I've come across plenty of inspectors that not only don't know the code book as well as they should, but think that their job is to make up the code instead of enforce it.
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Agreed, What is really flustrating is when you have inspectors in the same jurisdiction now agreeing. However the code does not always address every exact installation. You also have Jurisdictions that require their inspectors to do multitrade inspections. There is no way an inspector can remember every code in any one trade, even the single trade inspectors.
There is also no way a contractor can either espically with building trade and electrical. Its always a learning process. You are absolutely right about not being able to enforce opinions, an inspector could suggest good practice for a good reason but he or she cannot by law enforce it.
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(not for hire) does not need to follow the same permit and inspection procedure that us pros do. .
Do not agree with this statement. The Homeowner would have to follow the same permitting and inspection process but would not have to follow the same Liscening process or requirements.
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Speaking of that... According to the Building inspection department, a certified electrician must apply for an electrical permit. Have you ever had trouble getting a permit?
Nope no problems whatsoever
You are in Maryland but called my building Dept ??
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Nope no problems whatsoever
You are in Maryland but called my building Dept ??
Didn't call. Just emailed. This email got me curious so I wanted to see what the requirements were in various locations in MA. I knew you had pulled permits so I just wanted to see what was actually enforced.
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Do not agree with this statement. The Homeowner would have to follow the same permitting and inspection process but would not have to follow the same Liscening process or requirements.
It's all in the interpretation of law, but I did check and no permit requirement for homeowners is the law. Locally, they could give you a hard time but I got my local spark inspector to respect the state electrical inspector's interpretation of the law.
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It's all in the interpretation of law, but I did check and no permit requirement for homeowners is the law. Locally, they could give you a hard time but I got my local spark inspector to respect the state electrical inspector's interpretation of the law.
Thats why you have to check local laws, here in NC a homeowner still has to have a permit and inspections just not a liscense.
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Do not agree with this statement. The Homeowner would have to follow the same permitting and inspection process but would not have to follow the same Liscening process or requirements.
You may be right on this, but (and there's always one of these), in the Massachusetts general laws, I believe the way that its worded is in reference to permitting and the time frame for notification and response time of the inspector. None the less, bottom line is there are always methods to drag the process out and in the long run the job (homeowner, contractor etc.) looses.

I by no means advocate skilled labor performed by unskilled laborers. I respect the fact that I and others have dedicated so much of our time to learn, get licensed and continue to learn.

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Not sure if anyone is still following this thread. If so, you may consider reading Chapter 141 of the M.G.L. (Massachusetts General Law) and see all work must be performed by a licensed Journeyman Electrician. Section 1 states: Section 1A. No person, firm or corporation shall enter into, engage in, or work at the business or occupation of installing wires, conduits, apparatus, devices, fixtures, or other appliances for carrying or using electricity for light, heat, power, fire warning or security system purposes, unless such person, firm or corporation shall be licensed by the state examiners of electricians in accordance with this chapter and, with respect to security systems, unless such person, firm or corporation shall also be licensed by the commissioner of public safety in accordance with the provisions of sections fifty-seven to sixty-one, inclusive, of chapter one hundred and forty-seven. I believe a homeowner falls in the category of 'person'. Also, the inspector of wires is as responsible as the electrician should the inspector deem the electrician's work as adequate. Proper training, education, experience and licensing minimize one's risk of liability. In one post the 'homeowner' stated he was comfortable with his DIY wiring. A reply questioned the safety of future owners. What about the safety of his visitors and guests? Trust a properly trained, qualified, licensed and insured professional. WB
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No person, firm or corporation shall enter into, engage in, or work at the business or occupation of
This has been debated over & over
I'm a homeowner...I'm not running a business...so I am allowed to work on my own home

I dealt with a licensed properly trained electrician
I spent 3 days cleaning up his mess & took me 3 weeks to get back my $50 wire cutters he took with him
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This has been debated over & over I'm a homeowner...I'm not running a business...so I am allowed to work on my own home
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I'm a homeowner...I'm not running a business...
That was my first thoughs in reading the "LAW" that was quoted...

Break it down this way:

"No person, firm or corporation..."
the who

"...shall..."
self explanitory


"...enter into, engage in, or work at..."
various forms of "do"

"...the business or occupation of..."
multiple forms of "professional work" or "get paid to..."

"installing [electrical stuff]..."



So my interpretation of the English is this law quoted would be...
"No person shall do electrical stuff for payment".
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His work sucked plain & simple - I would never call him a Pro
The Inspector was even upset when I pointed out the work that the Pro did
If he ever does work in an area that my Inspector checks he will find his work inspected very closely
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As I've discovered, a lot of time, inspectors just take the pros word for it. I'm sure the inspector didn't pull the panel cover off on my wife's shop before he signed off on the permit.
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I called the building dept in my town in MA and the electrical inspector can pull permits for homeowners. It costs $40. He of course can approve or disapprove it. I hope he lets homeowners do their own work, within reason. I can't afford an electrican to come in and do every little thing. I am new at electrical work, but I have an electrical background, am conscientious, and feel like I can do a good job.

How does the permit process carry out for a typical homeowner doing their own work? In my case, I want to replace old 2-wire NM with grounded wire. So I apply and pay for the permit, do the work, and have the inspector come look at it? Or do they inspect your work at different stages of the project?

What if, at some point during my work, I decide to modify a little more wiring, beyond what I described in the app. Would the EI give me hell for doing something I technically didn't apply for?

In my house most of the wiring is old, but some of it looks newer, probably done within the past few years. Would the EI ever call into question the newer wiring, and ask if a permit was pulled for it?

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