burying wire underground

chris75 · 03-14-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 220/221

Hey, I try to learn something new every single day.

I even learned something from Petey one time.

(D) "shall be permitted for different voltages" seems to say that I can run a 240 for a welder and a couple of 120 circuits if they share a neutral.

(E) says something about "documented safe switching proceedures". I'll look that up in the unlikely event that I want to run multiple circuits to an outbuilding.

I don't recall ever running multiple circuits to a separate building. It makes more sense and is a better installation to install a sub and that's why I have always done it.

I never knew it was illegal to install multiples.

Have you really ever read a code book, some of your posts scare me...

220/221 · 03-14-2008, 11:53 PM

Hey Chris. You don't need to be afraid of me...unless you talk like that to my face

If you had any common sense or the ability to use simple deductive reasoning, you would KNOW I have read a code book as I QUOTED it in my post.

Now STFU and go bother your boyfriend.

billie_t · 03-15-2008, 12:06 AM

i am not an electrician but i wonder...why mess with conduit..bury either direct bury cable or run a 4 inch perferated tile with a rope in it...bury your tile and when you figure out what size of wire you need for a sub panel...you are good to go

and hell...if you are going to the trouble of wanting a circuit or two in your garage...you will be much happier with a sub panel..so you can add on later..when you get that new table saw....air compressor...couple of 500 watt lights for workin gunder your car..beer fridge...etc

jrclen · 03-15-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by billie_t

i am not an electrician but i wonder...why mess with conduit..bury either direct bury cable or run a 4 inch perferated tile with a rope in it...bury your tile and when you figure out what size of wire you need for a sub panel...you are good to go

As long as the perforated tile is listed for use with electrical conductors.

If it was me, I'd put in 1 1/4 PVC conduit. In the future I could pull out the smaller wires and pull in a 100 amp feeder. Conduit is cheap and easy.

chris75 · 03-15-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 220/221

Hey Chris. You don't need to be afraid of me...unless you talk like that to my face

If you had any common sense or the ability to use simple deductive reasoning, you would KNOW I have read a code book as I QUOTED it in my post.

Now STFU and go bother your boyfriend.

I know you dont read the code... but hey... do as you feel because you have commen sense...

220/221 · 03-15-2008, 01:15 PM

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I know you dont read the code

Do you think this came to me in a vision?

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(D) "shall be permitted for different voltages" seems to say that I can run a 240 for a welder and a couple of 120 circuits if they share a neutral.

(E) says something about "documented safe switching proceedures". I'll look that up in the unlikely event that I want to run multiple circuits to an outbuilding.

A question came up, someone responded with the article, I looked it up and learned something.

^Read that again s l o w l y and try to understand.

Quit being a little douchebag and you might learn somethin too.

PS. Legal or not, direct burial wire is lame. I would never install it.....common sense. Even protected wire sometimes fails.

chris75 · 03-15-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 220/221

Do you think this came to me in a vision?

A question came up, someone responded with the article, I looked it up and learned something.

^Read that again s l o w l y and try to understand.

Quit being a little douchebag and you might learn somethin too.

Name calling must make you feel so wam and fuzzy inside....

And to think I only thought my kids did that... o'well guess I did learn something...thanks 220...

220/221 · 03-15-2008, 05:19 PM

Your let your kids call you a Dbag?

Dude, you started the BS to make you feel superior, I am just calling you on it.

billie_t · 03-15-2008, 06:26 PM

i am not an electrician but in my area (ontario canada) i know 4 inch perf. tile is permitted..i have central metering and i have services going to 4 buildings from my pole..all installed by an electrician and i took out permits and inspections... and they guy who said direct bury is no good?..maybe he is right i dont know..i only gave it as an option

billie_t · 03-15-2008, 06:32 PM

i should have added..the perf tile i used for my latest service (this january) it is now code to bury red tape a foot or so over top of the tile so any diggers in the future will see that there is electic cabe there

i think is fairly new because my last three services it was not required when we installed them
maybe a licensed sparky could comment on this?

billie_t · 03-15-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 220/221

PS. Legal or not, direct burial wire is lame. I would never install it.....common sense. Even protected wire sometimes fails.

220/221
you are right they can fail...my sister has direct bury and it did indeed fail...the service guy had some gadget that he hooked to the service panel and then walked with his earphones on and went right to the break...dug it up and repaired it in about an hour

are these type of repairs good?...if they are would it be cheaper to do this repair than pull all the wire out of a tile and put new wire back in?
allthough i think a break in the tile would be much less often?

Stubbie · 03-15-2008, 06:42 PM

I gotta ask... why would you bother with perforated tile for a direct bury cable? 4 inch?

BTW 220/221 you left out the 'Different Characteristics' sub title to the exception.

billie_t · 03-15-2008, 06:49 PM

[quote=Stubbie;107980]I gotta ask... why would you bother with perforated tile for a direct bury cable? 4 inch?

i didnt use direct bury....i only gave it as an option

Stubbie · 03-15-2008, 07:05 PM

Ok, but what would you run through perforated tile that would be compliant if it isn't direct burial rated?

220/221 · 03-15-2008, 07:10 PM

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BTW 220/221 you left out the 'Different Characteristics' sub title to the exception.

I thought that referred to the different voltages as described within that section.

Am I misunderstanding something?

Utility companys here in AZ stopped direct burying cable in the 80's. Everything is in PVC. I suspect they spend a LOT of time repairing gopher bite marks.