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Old 09-26-2013, 10:35 PM   #46
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Why did you use separate boxes? DP&L approved the Homeline RC816F200CH, available and in stock at United Electric, or by online order at the Home Depot:
The electrician decided what equipment to install. I do like the look of the combination unit and the ability to add additional outdoor circuits. And at $130 on Home Depot, we would have saved some money. The electrician told us that our meter box was $60 and the disconnect was $300... or $230 more than the combination unit. I sure hope there's a good reason the electrician chose separate boxes, otherwise I'm feeling ripped off.
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I dont see it as being damaged, as the rings are still intact.
Intact, but pulled out. Rain water is able to enter the box. I see this as an issue.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:50 AM   #48
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The electrician decided what equipment to install. I do like the look of the combination unit and the ability to add additional outdoor circuits. And at $130 on Home Depot, we would have saved some money. The electrician told us that our meter box was $60 and the disconnect was $300... or $230 more than the combination unit. I sure hope there's a good reason the electrician chose separate boxes, otherwise I'm feeling ripped off.
You didn't call me ....

Did that price include labor, and the building of the pedestal structure?
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Intact, but pulled out. Rain water is able to enter the box. I see this as an issue.
It's not an issue, sealing locknuts are not required below the lugs, so water is going to enter the enclosure regardless, the meter can has drain holes for this sole purpose....


Another violation I see is no expansion fitting in the pvc emerging from the ground and entering into the meter.....
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You didn't call me ....

Did that price include labor, and the building of the pedestal structure?
The total job was quoted at $1200. It includes the electrician:

- Pulling the permit and calling for inspections
- Purchase and install (1) 200A meter box and (1) 200A disconnect
- Install wire from disconnect to existing electric panel
- Rotate existing electric panel 90 degrees from one wall into another
- Separate all grounds and neutrals in existing electric panel
- Coordinate all services with Delmarva Power

I provided the following for the project:

- Built and installed wooden pedestal
- Trenched from pole to pedestal and installed conduit
- Trenched from pedestal to house and installed conduit

We were originally under the assumption that the electrician had to purchase $400-$500 in materials. So this put labor around $700-800, which seemed excessive, but we went along with it because the electrician would be handling the headache of working with Delmarva Power. We also figured that separating the grounds and neutrals was time consuming. I just looked up pricing on the meter box and disconnect that was installed and I get a total around $200. So assuming $100 in misc materials, this will now put the labor around $900, which is starting to seem ridiculous. We signed a contract with this person, but we're starting to feel sorry that we did.

And after all this, we still get to pay Delmarva Power $1250 to come out and switch us from overhead to underground service. Yay!

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It's not an issue, sealing locknuts are not required below the lugs, so water is going to enter the enclosure regardless, the meter can has drain holes for this sole purpose....


Another violation I see is no expansion fitting in the pvc emerging from the ground and entering into the meter.....
To your first point, I fully understand that water will eventually make it's way into the box. I was just hoping that it wouldn't be immediately due to a "channel" created by the knockouts being pulled out. It just seems sloppy to me and for the price we're paying, I'm still going to ask the guy to fix it.

About the expansion fitting... or lack thereof... I asked the electrician if he would be installing one and he told me, "no, it's not needed". I'd seen plenty of photos where PVC risers had pulled free from the meter box and I wanted to avoid this at all costs. Apparently it's uncommon to install expansion fittings in this area. (Eastern shore of Maryland) And the installation passed inspection, so I assume that he's correct in his opinion that we don't need one.
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I'm not going to second guess all the effort required in feeding and moving that panel "90 degrees" -- that can be an expensive task.

But I will say that your electrician is inefficient using that separate meter box and service equipment when a single box would have done the same job for less time and money.
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I'm not going to second guess all the effort required in feeding and moving that panel "90 degrees" -- that can be an expensive task.

But I will say that your electrician is inefficient using that separate meter box and service equipment when a single box would have done the same job for less time and money.
Out of curiousity, is there any difference between the breaker on the combo unit vs. the disconnect we have installed? Assuming both are rated for 200A service?
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To your first point, I fully understand that water will eventually make it's way into the box. I was just hoping that it wouldn't be immediately due to a "channel" created by the knockouts being pulled out. It just seems sloppy to me and for the price we're paying, I'm still going to ask the guy to fix it.

About the expansion fitting... or lack thereof... I asked the electrician if he would be installing one and he told me, "no, it's not needed". I'd seen plenty of photos where PVC risers had pulled free from the meter box and I wanted to avoid this at all costs. Apparently it's uncommon to install expansion fittings in this area. (Eastern shore of Maryland) And the installation passed inspection, so I assume that he's correct in his opinion that we don't need one.
If the ground freezes, you need an expansion fitting....
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If the ground freezes, you need an expansion fitting....
It's going to be difficult to get him to install one, especially since he passed his inspection. I'll bring it up again.
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It's going to be difficult to get him to install one, especially since he passed his inspection. I'll bring it up again.
Not sure why it passed inspection, a clear violation...
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Not sure why it passed inspection, a clear violation...
kbsparky, want to chime in on this one? Are we required to use an expansion fitting in our neck of the woods?
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kbsparky, want to chime in on this one? Are we required to use an expansion fitting in our neck of the woods?
Many areas are knowledgeable on the NEC or they are not... I can do a lot of things not up to NEC and they pass, but they are still violations... basically how it works, the best is when it's not a violation, yet they don't like it and want it changed... imagine that?
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Many areas are knowledgeable on the NEC or they are not... I can do a lot of things not up to NEC and they pass, but they are still violations... basically how it works, the best is when it's not a violation, yet they don't like it and want it changed... imagine that?
lol... I hear ya. Do you know off hand the section in the NEC where it requires the expansion fittings?
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I'd like to see that code. I've never failed a PVC installation and I have only used expansion fittings once...on a rooftop.
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