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jackwashere 09-23-2013 02:14 PM

bundling romex
 
I need to bundle romex to get through a tight space in a wall into the panel on the other side. Here is my breakdown:

quantity 6 10/3 cables
quantity 5 10/2 cables
quantity 1 6/3 cable

All this needs to pass through a 2" schedule 80 pvc conduit 6 inches long.

Am I breaking any code? Am I trying to pull too many cables through the 2" hole?

Philly Master 09-23-2013 03:55 PM

its 50/50 depending on the inspector the code says ... u get 24" .. to be bundled .... then seperate ...

Jim Port 09-23-2013 04:17 PM

Why the conduit sleeve?

gregzoll 09-23-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 1245563)
Why the conduit sleeve?

That was my question also. My other is, is this going through a 2x6 plate, or 2x4 plate, or just middle of the floor.

Philly Master 09-23-2013 04:31 PM

how about a block wall or stone wall ... ??

jackwashere 09-23-2013 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 1245563)
Why the conduit sleeve?

ICF walls
4" of concrete
you put a 2" schedule 80 piece of conduit in the wall before you pour

k_buz 09-23-2013 05:41 PM

Yes, you are breaking code.

gregzoll 09-23-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1245606)
Yes, you are breaking code.

You are not supposed to tell them that, until the AHJ shows up and Red Tags the whole job, and they come back asking why they cannot do it.

stickboy1375 09-23-2013 06:13 PM

If the hole isn't fire stopped I say you are good to go....if this PVC actually connects to the panel, total violation....

By the way, I have never pulled so many #10 cables in a house in my entire career, what the heck are you doing?

jackwashere 09-23-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stickboy1375 (Post 1245630)
I have never pulled so many #10 cables in a house in my entire career, what the heck are you doing?

I have a separate circuit breaker for each of these:

1 for living room front/foyer
1 for living room back
1 for bedroom
1 for kitchen
1 for bathroom/laundry washer
1 for dishwasher/garbage disposer
1 for refrigerator
1 for outdoor outlet in the back of the house
1 for laundry dryer
1 for water heater in the back of the house
1 for hvac
1 for range

total: 12

I could use #12 for many of these I suppose. The difference is $71 for 250 feet of #12 romex and $137 for 250 feet of #10. I thought having #10 would be better. Am I guilty of overkill?

eastcoastsparky 09-23-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jackwashere
I have a separate circuit breaker for each of these: 1 for living room front/foyer 1 for living room back 1 for bedroom 1 for kitchen 1 for bathroom/laundry washer 1 for dishwasher/garbage disposer 1 for refrigerator 1 for outdoor outlet in the back of the house 1 for laundry dryer 1 for water heater in the back of the house 1 for hvac 1 for range total: 12 I could use #12 for many of these I suppose. The difference is $71 for 250 feet of #12 romex and $137 for 250 feet of #10. I thought having #10 would be better. Am I guilty of overkill?

way overkill

stickboy1375 09-23-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jackwashere (Post 1245676)

I could use #12 for many of these I suppose. The difference is $71 for 250 feet of #12 romex and $137 for 250 feet of #10. I thought having #10 would be better. Am I guilty of overkill?

Just a little....but it's your money. Don't forget to weigh in the cost of labor for installing #10, it will offset the cost of installing #12 or #14 big time....

rjniles 09-23-2013 08:01 PM

You might want to consider box fill using all that #10 for receptacles and lighting circuits.

k_buz 09-23-2013 08:31 PM

Box fill and the fact that most devices aren't rated for #10's.

Philly Master 09-23-2013 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackwashere (Post 1245676)
I have a separate circuit breaker for each of these:

1 for living room front/foyer
1 for living room back
1 for bedroom
1 for kitchen 2 for kitch counter top MIN
1 for bathroom/laundry washer must be 2 seperate circuits
1 for dishwasher/garbage disposer shoulb be 2 different ones
1 for refrigerator
1 for outdoor outlet in the back of the house
1 for laundry dryer 30 amp if electric 10/3
1 for water heater in the back of the house 30 amp 10/2
1 for hvac most 30 amp 10/2
1 for range 50 amp 6/3

total: 12

I could use #12 for many of these I suppose. The difference is $71 for 250 feet of #12 romex and $137 for 250 feet of #10. I thought having #10 would be better. Am I guilty of overkill?


blue are 20's

all the rest COULD be 15 amp 14/2

dining room must be 20 amp 12/2


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