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Jeridmar6 07-08-2010 01:07 PM

Breaker Tripping
 
I have this small issue. I have a 15 amp breaker with a reset button. The circuit has 2 receptacles (doubble plugs) and 1 light. I have a garage door opener attached to one of the plugs and a central vac unit attached to another. Here is my dilemma.

When ever I try to use a batter charger of any kind on any of the plugins associated with the breaker, it trips the breaker after about 10-20 seconds. Nothing else trips the breaker. I can run the garage door opener, central vac and a powertool at the same time with no trip. As soon as I try to charge my marine battery or a battery for a power tool, it trips. I have tried using the charger/s on their own but still trips. Here is the thing, the marine battery charger has 3 settings (trickle, med, fast charging modes) When I use the trickle charge mode, the breaker doesn't trip. any other mode trips the breaker. I can run an extension from another plug in my house and have no issues with either battery charger.

Is my fuse too small for the circuit? Is the fuse faulty? Any other possibilities would be helpfull. How hard is it to change a circuit breaker? should I use a breaker with a reset button or just use a regular 15 amp breaker. Should I replace it with a 20 amp breaker?

Soooo many questions
thanks

a7ecorsair 07-08-2010 01:19 PM

Is this circuit breaker with the reset button in you main electrical panel? Are you sure it isn't a GFCI?
Your battery charger should have label stating how many amps it draws, what does it read?
Circuit breakers (or fuses) are sized to protect the wiring in the house. If the wire is 14 gauge, it cannot have more than a 15 amp breaker. 12 gauge wire can be connected to a 20 amp breaker. This means all wire on that circuit.

Yoyizit 07-08-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeridmar6 (Post 466935)
a 15 amp breaker with a reset button.

a batter charger of any kind on any of the plugins associated with the breaker, it trips the breaker after about 10-20 seconds.

Depending on the breaker trip curve, this could be a 30 A draw, if the breaker is not defective.

Jeridmar6 07-08-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by a7ecorsair (Post 466942)
Is this circuit breaker with the reset button in you main electrical panel? Are you sure it isn't a GFCI?
Your battery charger should have label stating how many amps it draws, what does it read?
Circuit breakers (or fuses) are sized to protect the wiring in the house. If the wire is 14 gauge, it cannot have more than a 15 amp breaker. 12 gauge wire can be connected to a 20 amp breaker. This means all wire on that circuit.

No, not sure but it is a small fuse with an orange reset button. The input amps are 2 amps and the output is 2.2 amps.

andrew79 07-08-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeridmar6 (Post 466976)
No, not sure but it is a small fuse with an orange reset button. The input amps are 2 amps and the output is 2.2 amps.

in the original post you said it was a breaker....second post a fuse. which one is it? If it's a gfci breaker then i would think it would trip with a battery charger plugged in. if it's a fuse with a reset button built in then the problem probably lies with the battery charger.

Jeridmar6 07-08-2010 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew79 (Post 467007)
in the original post you said it was a breaker....second post a fuse. which one is it? If it's a gfci breaker then i would think it would trip with a battery charger plugged in. if it's a fuse with a reset button built in then the problem probably lies with the battery charger.


Sorry, It is a breaker..... How can I tell if it is a gfci breaker? This breaker has an orange reset button and it looks like a regualar breaker only with an orange reset button and it has a "15" on the switch part of it. Is it easy to change?

Scuba_Dave 07-08-2010 08:51 PM

Where are you located ?

Jeridmar6 07-08-2010 09:19 PM

Profile changed... Ontario Canada

sks52587 07-09-2010 04:51 PM

Sounds like the battery charger is doing something your GFI doesn't like. Try plugging the charger into a different circuit...

Yoyizit 07-09-2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sks52587 (Post 467392)
Sounds like the battery charger is doing something your GFI doesn't like. Try plugging the charger into a different circuit...

If it has a ground pin the OP can measure the current in the ground lead. More than 2 mA or so will trip a GFCI.

nap 07-09-2010 06:32 PM

when you plug whatever item is tripping the breaker into some other circuit and it works just fine, is the breaker for that other circuit also a 15 amp breaker and is it a GFCI or AFCI breaker?

Quote:

This breaker has an orange reset button and it looks like a regualar breaker only with an orange reset button
orange "reset" button? Sounds like the test button for a GFCI or AFCI breaker. are you sure it doesn't say "press to test" or "test" near the orange button?

what is the brand of breaker in question?

Jeridmar6 07-09-2010 11:04 PM

Hello, the orange button says "push to test". There is no name on the breaker. I am able to put BOTH battery chargers in question on any other cirucit in the house without a trip. These battery chargers are 1-Marine Batter Charger (12 V) similar to a car battery, in fact it can charge regular, deep cycle and Gell batteries of the 12 v automobile style. The other type is an 18V Dewalt Drill battery charger. This breaker is in the main breaker panel. I can put any other electrical item on this circuit without a trip. Not sure but even an automobile block heater (here in Canada it gets real cold) has no issues with this system.

nap 07-09-2010 11:14 PM

Ok, since it says "push to test" it is either an AFCI breaker or a GFCI breaker. It should state on the breaker. Also, the breakers should be the same manufacturer as the panel so, what is the panel manufacturer?

since items like a block heater did not trip the breaker, I would suggest it is not an overload trip but the AFCI or GFCI part tripping.

you are going to have to determine if this is an AFCI breaker or a GFCI breaker. Why either would be tripping is different and would result in different tests.


do the charges have a 2 prong or 3 prong plug?

Jeridmar6 07-10-2010 07:09 AM

It says nothing on the breaker other then "push to test" . The panel is CEB, out of Toronto Canada. Both chargers are 3 prongs

Jim Port 07-10-2010 10:13 AM

This is almost sounding like a resetable fuse except for the light aspect.


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