Breaker Panel Capacity - Electrical - Page 2 - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-20-2007, 06:12 PM   #16
Licensed Electrical Cont.
 
Speedy Petey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY State
Posts: 6,904
Rewards Points: 2,162
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Guys, let's remember the original post is well over a year old and I think the OP has his answer by now.
Hodge brought it back up to the top with his post.

Advertisement

__________________
Sometimes I feel like if I answer any more questions it is like someone trying to climb over a fence to jump off a bridge and me giving them a boost.
Answers based on the 2008 & 2011 NEC.
Speedy Petey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 06:13 PM   #17
Licensed Electrical Cont.
 
Speedy Petey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NY State
Posts: 6,904
Rewards Points: 2,162
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Quote:
Originally Posted by RichyL View Post
Makes you wonder if the NEC board is sleeping with the afci manufacturers, Seems a little excessive imo.
Ya THINK!
__________________
Sometimes I feel like if I answer any more questions it is like someone trying to climb over a fence to jump off a bridge and me giving them a boost.
Answers based on the 2008 & 2011 NEC.
Speedy Petey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 08:20 PM   #18
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,294
Rewards Points: 1,000
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Didn't realize it was an old post....but while were on the subject....


Quote:
'08 NEC 210.12(B) Dwelling units. All 12V, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in dwelling unit family rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, or similiar rooms or areas shall be protected by a listed arc-fault circuit interrupter, combination-type, installed to provide protection of the branch circuit.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. The people who write crap like this are idiots. I'm not saying that the AFCI's should not be required but why do they have to use language like this.

They list a bunch of rooms and then add "or similar rooms. Why don't the just say all 15/20 outlets" or "all 15/20 interior outlets".

If they mean recepticales, why don't they say recepticales? They should KNOW the simple fact that receps are OFTEN referred to as outlets.

If they mean branch circuits why don't they say so?
220/221 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 08:26 PM   #19
Electrician philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lilburn, GA
Posts: 838
Rewards Points: 500
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Similiar rooms and areas...Does that mean kitchen, bath, garage, or basement lights???
Andy in ATL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 08:26 PM   #20
Union Electrician
 
goose134's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago, USA
Posts: 615
Rewards Points: 500
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Well gosh, if they made everything perfectly clear, then what would we talk about?
goose134 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 08:28 PM   #21
Electrician philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lilburn, GA
Posts: 838
Rewards Points: 500
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Quote:
Originally Posted by goose134 View Post
Well gosh, if they made everything perfectly clear, then what would we talk about?
Very well said. Can I steal that?
Andy in ATL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 08:29 PM   #22
UAW SKILLED TRADES
 
Stubbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kansas
Posts: 5,242
Rewards Points: 2,454
Default

Breaker panel capacity


220/221


I fail to see the confusion......btw these people are not idiots, but I would say someone who would make this statement would be suspect.....

"these people" have already saved more lives than you will in your dreams.

Stubbie
__________________
" One nice thing about the NEC articles ... you have lots of choices"

Stubbie

Last edited by Stubbie; 11-20-2007 at 09:29 PM.
Stubbie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 08:39 PM   #23
Electrician philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lilburn, GA
Posts: 838
Rewards Points: 500
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Stub, I've stated before that AFCI's will save lives. Similiar rooms and areas confuses me. But then again I often (daily)consider myself an IDIOT

Andy
Andy in ATL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 09:14 PM   #24
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Anywhere, USA
Posts: 90
Rewards Points: 75
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Anyone happen to know which states will be adopting the 08 code in 08?
RichyL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 09:29 PM   #25
UAW SKILLED TRADES
 
Stubbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kansas
Posts: 5,242
Rewards Points: 2,454
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Andy..... my reply wasn't directed at you it was intended for 220/221
__________________
" One nice thing about the NEC articles ... you have lots of choices"

Stubbie
Stubbie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 08:59 AM   #26
waiting for spring
 
arichard21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Northern NY
Posts: 171
Rewards Points: 150
Default

Breaker panel capacity


just think how people felt when a ground was required in all branch circuits back in the day. people were probably swearing up and down because of the added expense.

if i had to upgrade my current house to AFCI on the above listed ccts, i would have to add 1...

bedrooms already have them, kitchen, dining and laundry wouldnt need them. i would have to add 1 to the living room, thats it.

in our new house that we are planning, i would need 7 @ $50. really, what is another $350 in a $100,000 house? sounds like cheap insurance to me.
arichard21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 09:48 AM   #27
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 561
Rewards Points: 500
Default

Breaker panel capacity


One code, covering one mechanical aspect - $350.00 in your situation. Now add a few bedrooms or sq. ft, and some recessed lighting, and now you're talking $1000.00 or more. Now add the beefed up requirements in the plumbing & drain, construction, HVAC, energy, window, etc and you're talking about some real money.

The issue for many isn't about the money, it's about the process which is permeating into building codes. Manufacturers are inventing so-called "safer" products and getting them mandated into codes not for safety, but for their profit. Just make a new product, get it patented and get it injected as a requirement and you're an instant millionaire.

When you look at the statistics and data regarding house fires and injury and loss of life and property - how many will be prevented by this $350.00 - $1000.00 additional expense? Most residential fires are not caused by electricity, though when no concrete cause can be found the fires are almost always blamed on "electrical."

Of those that are electrical, how many of those electrical fires were caused by, or would have been prevented with an arc-fault breaker? Not too many fires I've read about where the cause was an actual sparking connection.
LawnGuyLandSparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 12:29 PM   #28
waiting for spring
 
arichard21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Northern NY
Posts: 171
Rewards Points: 150
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Quote:
Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky View Post
One code, covering one mechanical aspect - $350.00 in your situation. Now add a few bedrooms or sq. ft, and some recessed lighting, and now you're talking $1000.00 or more. Now add the beefed up requirements in the plumbing & drain, construction, HVAC, energy, window, etc and you're talking about some real money.

The issue for many isn't about the money, it's about the process which is permeating into building codes. Manufacturers are inventing so-called "safer" products and getting them mandated into codes not for safety, but for their profit. Just make a new product, get it patented and get it injected as a requirement and you're an instant millionaire.

When you look at the statistics and data regarding house fires and injury and loss of life and property - how many will be prevented by this $350.00 - $1000.00 additional expense? Most residential fires are not caused by electricity, though when no concrete cause can be found the fires are almost always blamed on "electrical."

Of those that are electrical, how many of those electrical fires were caused by, or would have been prevented with an arc-fault breaker? Not too many fires I've read about where the cause was an actual sparking connection.
my post was specificly about AFCI breakers, and that $350 is going to cover ALL the AFCI breakers i will need for my new house under the 2008 NEC.

are you blind to the fact that there are hundres of thousands of ELECTRICAL house fires all around the world every year?

you dont think many are caused by sparking connections?


call up my father in law, and explain that to him. and he will explain to you how his barn burnt down in '93 and took 150 head of cattle with it.

when you are done, call a friend of my parents, who lost their twins back in the early 80's in a house fire that was electrical.


just because they are new doesnt mean they are a crock. i cant stand the people who think this stuff is all a conspiricy and that AFCI breakers do NO GOOD AT ALL.
arichard21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 12:50 PM   #29
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 71
Rewards Points: 75
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Quote:
Originally Posted by arichard21 View Post
call up my father in law, and explain that to him. and he will explain to you how his barn burnt down in '93 and took 150 head of cattle with it.
All I can say is that must have been a BIG barn.
spebby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 12:56 PM   #30
waiting for spring
 
arichard21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Northern NY
Posts: 171
Rewards Points: 150
Default

Breaker panel capacity


Quote:
Originally Posted by spebby View Post
All I can say is that must have been a BIG barn.
yes it was. ended up a total loss.

Advertisement

arichard21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
This doesnt seem right. JoulesWinfield Electrical 27 07-26-2009 08:40 PM
Circuit breaker panel - Advice needed justtired Electrical 15 12-13-2007 06:55 AM
Outdoor breaker panel questions lhoney2 Electrical 12 07-19-2007 06:44 PM
Breaker Panel In Detach Garage Jamn68j Electrical 2 04-25-2007 04:30 PM
breaker panel Ehren51 Electrical 1 01-28-2004 08:43 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts