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jeff716a 11-27-2012 01:43 AM

Breaker box wire ?
 
Is it ok to remove the circuit breakers for an electric dryer outlet, but keep the wires inside the breaker box if they're covered with electric tape and put against the side where they cannot touch ANYTHING? Nothing bad can happen, right? Besides maybe not being "to code?"

Long story short -- don't use the electric dryer outlet, and want an electric range in place of gas range. But, according to electrician who came today, he couldn't just do this, he'd have to snip the wires to the dryer outlet and is SUPPOSED to remove all traces of the wires to the dryer outlet, but said he could just remove the outlet and then could install the range (and then the amps would be low enough).

I don't want the dryer outlet removed and have to patch over it, etc. The amps were only like 15 over, and #1 I don't use the dryer outlet, and #2 I don't even use the oven on the range, EVER, and I use one burner maybe once every 4 months (no joke). The range is pretty much just for looks. But because of code, I guess he couldn't keep both EVEN though the dryer outlet isn't used? So I removed the breakers for it myself, taped off the wires and put them along the side of the breaker box. The other electrician is coming to give me an estimate tomorrow. I also wiped off where it said, "dryer," so there's no trace of that and it doesn't jack up the estimate because now it's just a simple wiring that goes 10 feet along a straight wall to the breaker box.

But reassure me nothing bad can happen with the unused wires being in there. But also, let me know if this a building code problem. And if an electrician starts the job, opens the box and sees the two mysterious taped off wires, is he going to have a problem? If he even sees them, they're pushed way to the side all by themselves.

mpoulton 11-27-2012 02:35 AM

It's totally OK. Not a problem at all. There is no requirement to remove the old wiring, as long as it is being kept in place for possible "future use". And I would be surprised if there's no way to redo the load calculations to make it work out acceptably with the new circuit as well as the old one.

jeff716a 11-27-2012 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mpoulton (Post 1061406)
It's totally OK. Not a problem at all. There is no requirement to remove the old wiring, as long as it is being kept in place for possible "future use". And I would be surprised if there's no way to redo the load calculations to make it work out acceptably with the new circuit as well as the old one.

Seriously? Phew, that makes me feel, very, very at ease. The electrician was so adamant about how everything related to the dryer outlet had to be removed, and I was so confused, because I was like, "But... I don't use it... so can't we just remove the breakers at least?" He said it didn't matter. According to his calculation (which I don't understand) it would come in at 115 amps and is supposed to only be 100 or something like that total for that side of the breaker? However, again, I don't use it, so I didn't understand why it would be counted in the total amps (it's two 30's), and if it had to be just because it's there, why not just take it out?

I guess I just don't understand building/electric codes, do you by any chance have someplace you could point me so I could see in writing that you can keep old wires in the box? Because the electrician was a nice guy; his estimate had to do with removing the dryer outlet and snipping those wires though, so I have no idea what it would be without doing those extra tasks.

I don't understand loading either, but here's a picture of my breaker box (the two black empty spaces are where I removed the dryer). The dryer outlet had two 30's. From what I've read an electric range needs a 50? Is there any way to just keep everything in there, including the dryer outlet (even though it's not necessary?)

http://i45.tinypic.com/s16c7t.jpg

sublime2 11-27-2012 06:27 AM

As stated, you don't need the dryer breakers in there.
The electrician can use that space to install the breaker for the range.
I would think twice about using the electrician that was "insistent " on removing that wire.padding the bill comes to mind.

Speedy Petey 11-27-2012 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff716a (Post 1061401)

long story short -- don't use the electric dryer outlet, and want an electric range in place of gas range. But, according to electrician who came today, he couldn't just do this, he'd have to snip the wires to the dryer outlet and is supposed to remove all traces of the wires to the dryer outlet,.......

100% false.

md2lgyk 11-27-2012 08:42 AM

Just cap the wires with wire nuts. And find another electrician.

rjniles 11-27-2012 09:25 AM

I would not do anything with the dryer circuit, turn the breaker off and leave it. Install the range breaker in spare slots : it looks like you have plenty of spares.

rjniles 11-27-2012 09:35 AM

I would not do anything with the dryer circuit, turn the breaker off and leave it. Install the range breaker in spare slots : it looks like you have plenty of spares.

TTW 11-27-2012 10:09 AM

NEC code 725.25
Abandoned cable is identified as a cable that is not terminated at equipment and not identified for future use with a tag

rjniles 11-27-2012 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TTW (Post 1061537)
NEC code 725.25
Abandoned cable is identified as a cable that is not terminated at equipment and not identified for future use with a tag

Don't understand your point. I am saying don't abandon the circuit, leave it for future reuse. Just turn off the breaker if you don't want to use it.

Julius793 11-27-2012 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TTW
NEC code 725.25
Abandoned cable is identified as a cable that is not terminated at equipment and not identified for future use with a tag

FYI, Article 725 I believe is only discussing low voltage


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