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jbryla24 01-22-2014 07:20 PM

Brain Fart - switch to outlet
 
I feel SO stupid for asking this question, but I can't seem to remember correctly.

I am adding under-cabinet lighting, and figured to just add a new breaker for the circuit (why not). After I install the breaker, I want to make sure my wiring is correct. Here's how I have it:

Breaker to switch (black/black connected on both screws...white pigtailed to outlet)
Outlet received black wire from switch. Where does the white wire go? To the other terminal of the outlet, and just stop? Do I need any wires going BACK to the breaker other than the original wires to the switch?

I figured I'd just have both outlets wired to the switch in case I want to add upper cabinet lighting one day.

Jim Port 01-22-2014 07:24 PM

The white will go to one silver screw on the receptacle.

Where are these receptacles being installed?

jbryla24 01-22-2014 07:27 PM

So the white wire doesn't need to return to the breaker panel, correct? Everything just terminates at the outlet?

The receptacle is being installed inside one of the cabinets.

Congrats to the previous owners for having a custom paint-job in the kitchen making it impossible for me to easily run cable through the wall.

Msradell 01-22-2014 09:06 PM

The white and ground wires from the receptacle both need to go back to the breaker box and connect to the ground buss and neutral buss. The neutral also needs to go to the switchbox, the new NEC requires that all switch boxes have a neutral conductor in them.

jbryla24 01-22-2014 09:33 PM

So we in essence need to close the loop by bringing the neutral and ground back to the breaker box, even though it started there? I was always under the impression that we can end the black and white wires at the receptacles when the chain is finished.

rosem637 01-22-2014 09:35 PM

I understand this is a DIY site but some things you just need to hire out if you do not understand Electricity 101

dmxtothemax 01-22-2014 10:33 PM

Is there an outlet on this same circuit ?
You said you ran a new line from the panel ?
Do have a white and a black at the switch ?
Where does this white at the switch originate from ?
Does it comes from the panel neutral buss ?

Bondo 01-23-2014 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jbryla24 (Post 1295296)
So we in essence need to close the loop by bringing the neutral and ground back to the breaker box, even though it started there? I was always under the impression that we can end the black and white wires at the receptacles when the chain is finished.

Ayuh,.... The white wire 'tween the switch, 'n outlet gets tied to the dead-ended white wire at the switch box that comes from the breaker,...

seansy59 01-23-2014 09:58 AM

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I highly recommend an electrician...this is pretty basic stuff that should be known before even touching electrical...

The white, black, and green (or bare copper), is your neutral, hot, and ground.

ALL must be connected to the breaker panel. Black to the breaker, white to the neutral bar, and ground to the ground bar (if it is a main panel, you'll see the ground and neutral on the same bar, follow the rest of the colors in your panel.

From there, the ground gets chained to any ground screw in the circuit, just pigtailed (wire nutted) on to the switch. Neutral passes through the switch box without being tied to anything...just wire nut the 2 neutrals together.

The outlet has the white connected to silver, black to brass, and the green to the ground.

agoodboy 01-23-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by seansy59 (Post 1295462)
... Neutral passes through the switch box ...


Why not show it that way on the drawing?

seansy59 01-23-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by agoodboy (Post 1295480)
Why not show it that way on the drawing?

It is shown...the neutral (gray color) is wire nutted passing through at the switch point...

Didn't think I would have to draw a box around the switch part...thought that would be pretty self explanatory...

agoodboy 01-23-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by seansy59 (Post 1295482)
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Didn't think I would have to draw a box around the switch part...thought that would be pretty self explanatory...

But if we are saying the OP needs help with the most basic stuff, then…? But I agree, no real biggy.

seansy59 01-23-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by agoodboy (Post 1295491)
But if we are saying the OP needs help with the most basic stuff, then…? But I agree, no real biggy.

You've got a good point... :whistling2:

jbryla24 01-23-2014 09:14 PM

That's what I had going--thanks everyone! Like I said, I've just had a major brain fart lately. I haven't done wiring for a few years and have a lot going on otherwise at the house. Had that wiring configuration, but just wanted to double check--that's all.

Much appreciated!


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