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05-09-2012, 09:05 PM
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Guys,
My old house project has gotten me to the point of being so tired I can't think straight, with very little time to analyze the situation.
Here's the deal:
I disconnected a switch/gfci box in the kitchen in order to put in a bigger box as the old one was way too small. I didn't diagram the connections, and now it's time to put it back. Seems simple, but I can't seem to determine the connections. Five 2-wire cables enter box, with one from the panel. Below is the image I drew, with the prospective connections. Can anyone help me find any problems? I am just guessing (without putting a lot of thought into it, about the loads.
The bolded lines indicate tails.
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05-09-2012, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sirsparksalot
Guys,
My old house project has gotten me to the point of being so tired I can't think straight, with very little time to analyze the situation.
Here's the deal:
I disconnected a switch/gfci box in the kitchen in order to put in a bigger box as the old one was way too small. I didn't diagram the connections, and now it's time to put it back. Seems simple, but I can't seem to determine the connections. Five 2-wire cables enter box, with one from the panel. Below is the image I drew, with the prospective connections. Can anyone help me find any problems? I am just guessing (without putting a lot of thought into it, about the loads.
The bolded lines indicate tails.

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You have the black wires tied to the load terminal but not the whites for the same cables.
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05-09-2012, 09:19 PM
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Oh god, I think I see it. The 3rd cable (bottom) is on the Load neutral, and I need it nutted with the other whites, and tailed to the load neutral, correct?
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05-09-2012, 09:49 PM
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Wrong, if the hot is on the load the neutral has to be on the load. You have a white wire nutted to the incoming neutral that should be nutted to the wire leaving the load neutral.
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05-09-2012, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by a7ecorsair
Wrong, if the hot is on the load
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The hot isn't on the Load, it's on the Line. ??
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05-09-2012, 09:53 PM
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All protected loads, whose hot wires are connected to the GFCI load terminal group, must have their neutrals also connected to the GFCI load terminal.
All (unprotected) loads, whose hot wires are connected to the GFCI line terminal group, must have their neutrals also connected to the GFCI line terminal group.
(Power cable, both hot and neutral, goes to the line terminal group.)
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05-09-2012, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sirsparksalot
The hot isn't on the Load, it's on the Line. ??
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Then your drawing is wrong.
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05-09-2012, 09:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanJ
All protected loads, whose hot wires are connected to the GFCI load terminal group, must have their neutrals also connected to the GFCI load terminal.
All (unprotected) loads, whose hot wires are connected to the GFCI line terminal group, must have their neutrals also connected to the GFCI line terminal group.
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So, I am going to have to trace these loads? I know the light isn't to be protected, so that's cleared. I'm thinking that only two more receptacles are to be protected. (I'm not at the property right now, so I'm only recalling).
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05-09-2012, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by a7ecorsair
Then your drawing is wrong.
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How do you see the hot going to the load? Stay with me here lol
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05-09-2012, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sirsparksalot
How do you see the hot going to the load? Stay with me here lol
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Follow from the red wire nut to the receptacle and it says load. The load side is GFCI Hot and Neutral. This feeds downstream GFCI protected devices.
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05-09-2012, 11:07 PM
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your pulling the neutral off the line and pulling the hots off the gfci protected side of the plug. you need to wire nut the hots and whites of each cable respectively to the same side of the gfci (line or load) or else the gfci won't function properly
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05-10-2012, 01:36 AM
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Can I get an Amen on this?
Last edited by sirsparksalot; 05-10-2012 at 01:58 AM.
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05-10-2012, 06:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sirsparksalot
Can I get an Amen on this?

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That setup will protect 3 outgoing cables if that's what you are wanting to do.
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