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Old 05-23-2011, 06:44 PM   #1
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I did some research to replace my own panel and one thing led to another so decided to hire a licensed electrician! I don't want to be without power more than one day.

Because of the location running the bonding wire is going to be a PIA. I do not want to be paying a high priced professional to be doing grunt work! So I explained to that I would move everything and run it myself.

He explained to me that he was not sure it had to be attached to the water pipe within 5 feet of entering the house and probably could just be attached to the hot water tank by the panel. Said he would have to check.

Could there be some local code that is different from what I have learned here?
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I did some research to replace my own panel and one thing led to another so decided to hire a licensed electrician! .....................

He explained to me that he was not sure it had to be attached to the water pipe within 5 feet of entering the house and probably could just be attached to the hot water tank by the panel. Said he would have to check.
This was an electrician? And he was not sure???

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If it is a bonding wire then it could be connected at the water heater. If it is a grounding electrode conductor it needs to be connected within 5' of where the METALLIC water service enters the building.
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Thanks for the responses!

This is a FL house. The water meter is at the street about 100 feet from where the water line enters the house.

The water line from the meter is PVC and comes up out of the ground about 2 feet enters a copper tee with a faucet on one end and enters the house out of the other end of the tee. Every thing from the tee throughout the house is copper.

does this info help?

What is the difference between a bonding wire and a grounding electrode conductor??
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A bonding wire provides a low impedance path to trip a circuit
should the metallic piping become energized. If PVC supplies the water meter it cannot serve as a grounding electrode.
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A bonding wire provides a low impedance path to trip a circuit
should the metallic piping become energized. If PVC supplies the water meter it cannot serve as a grounding electrode.
Couldn't have said it better, except the PVC supplies the house from the meter out in the yard.

Bottom line is you can bond the metallic water piping anywhere accessible on the system.

See, your local guy could not tell you this? And we did via remote control over the interweb.
Do yourself a favor and find a new electrician.
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Couldn't have said it better, except the PVC supplies the house from the meter out in the yard.

Bottom line is you can bond the metallic water piping anywhere accessible on the system.

See, your local guy could not tell you this? And we did via remote control over the interweb.
Do yourself a favor and find a new electrician.
Yep.......I wrote it wrong.
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Given that the entering cold water pipe is plastic, the fat ground wire from the panel (grounding electrode conductor) has to go to ground rods.

The gas plumbing should be bonded to the panel ground or GEC but the entering gas line is not considered a grounding electrode. If a gas appliance uses electricity then the grounding conductor from the electrical feed serves as bonding for the gas plumbing.

A water heater, like a water meter, should be bonded around, i.e. have a #6 ground wire connected between the water inlet and water outlet.

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