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Old 08-03-2010, 10:27 AM   #1
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This is an outlet that looks like it was installed after-the-fact. The previous owners had a small microwave here, and we'd like to put one here as well. However, the outlet sticks out the depth of the box, leaving only about 12" of space to the front edge.

There is about 3/4" behind the back panel of the cabinet and the wall, and the electrical box is screwed onto this panel. The wire comes out of the wall somewhere and comes through 1" dia hole behind the box.

I'd like to figure out a way to flush mount it either to the wall or the panel. Would I be best to cut away a hole in the panel, cut out the drywall, and mount it correctly to a stud?

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Old 08-03-2010, 10:46 AM   #2
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First remove that receptacle and box completely so all you have is a wire coming out of the wall.

Normally I would install a receptacle in the wall and then have a decent sized hole in the back of the cabinet for the cord and plug to go thru. This would make it so that the box/receptacle was not part of the cabinet.

However, in your instance, I would probably just get an old work box (image below) and cut out both the cabinet and the wall to accept it. The box will actually be mounted to the cabinet and the back of the box will go thru the wall behind it for clearance. Since you have 3/4" of room behind the back panel of the cabinet, that will give you room for the "wings" on the old work box to open up and grab.

To cut the hole you simply trace the square part of this box on the back of the cabinet, drill each corner, then use a jigsaw to cut it out. You should be able to go right thru the back of the cabinet and the wall behind it in one shot, just be care of the wire and make sure you aren't cutting into a stud.
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Excellent- thanks for that. So, by doing it this way, it's not necessary to anchor it to a stud- the 'wings' will tighten to the back of the cab?
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Excellent- thanks for that. So, by doing it this way, it's not necessary to anchor it to a stud- the 'wings' will tighten to the back of the cab?
Yes, exactly. Usually the wings would clamp it to the drywall but in your case you will mount it to the cabinet.

When tracing the box, you are only going to trace the square shape of the box, do not cut out those flanges in each corner or else the box will fall back into the wall.
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Cool- I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks again!
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See that outlet underneath the cabinet? Judging by its location, and the amount that the box is sticking out, I'll bet you a cheap beer that the outlet box is backed up to a stud in the wall.

Just guessing. You might have to move the whole thing over a couple inches. Hopefully not!
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See that outlet underneath the cabinet? Judging by its location, and the amount that the box is sticking out, I'll bet you a cheap beer that the outlet box is backed up to a stud in the wall.

Just guessing. You might have to move the whole thing over a couple inches. Hopefully not!
Could be. I'll make sure I check for the stud and, if so, move it over just to be safe.
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The box mounted in the cabinet is a very shallow box surface mounted to the back of the cabinet. The wire is coming in thru a small hole in the back panel of the cabinet.

After removing the box and before tracing the cutout for the new box, stick a small piece of bent wire into the existing hole that the wire is coming thru. Spin it around, you will be able to feel the stud. If the stud is on the left, then cut to the right. If the stud is on the right, then cut to the left.
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Could be. I'll make sure I check for the stud and, if so, move it over just to be safe.
My guess is you'll be able to see it. there will be a hole in the drywall behind the hole in the cabinet.

I didn't notice the first time, but you're in Indiana. There's a chance you'll be able to claim your beer when I'm wrong!
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My guess is you'll be able to see it. there will be a hole in the drywall behind the hole in the cabinet.

I didn't notice the first time, but you're in Indiana. There's a chance you'll be able to claim your beer when I'm wrong!
Hey, you were half right. There is a hole behind the back panel, but it's about 3 inches over to the right. Why the heck would they have done it this way!?


You can barely see it here:


So now I'm not sure what I should do. I'm thinking about cutting a new opening to the right where the existing one is and somehow (?) covering the hole I just made. I am also thinking about keeping the new hole and somehow getting that wire to go behind the box, but the stud is about 1/2" to the right of that opening.

What would you guys do?
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I would break out a piece of sheetrock above the cutout. Use channel locks to break a slot out. Then you can push the wire upwards and have it sweep back down thru that slot and into the back of the box.

Of course you would put the wire into the box first, then finagle the box into the wall while trying to get the wire to fit into that slot you made in the sheetrock.

It's not the best way to install a microwave receptacle, but you gotta work with what you got.
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Hey, you were half right. There is a hole behind the back panel, but it's about 3 inches over to the right. Why the heck would they have done it this way!?


You can barely see it here:


So now I'm not sure what I should do. I'm thinking about cutting a new opening to the right where the existing one is and somehow (?) covering the hole I just made. I am also thinking about keeping the new hole and somehow getting that wire to go behind the box, but the stud is about 1/2" to the right of that opening.

What would you guys do?
I suspect that wire is coming from another box in the wall to the right of your hole. And that box is covered up with the cabinet I would take that cabinet down and investigate further.
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I suspect that wire is coming from another box in the wall to the right of your hole. And that box is covered up with the cabinet I would take that cabinet down and investigate further.
Hmmmm, I'd say that the wire is coming from the receptacle down below. It is in front of the drywall because there is a stud right there.
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Hmmmm, I'd say that the wire is coming from the receptacle down below. It is in front of the drywall because there is a stud right there.
You well may be right but why would they have not cut the hole directly above the lower receptacle and kept the wire behind the drywall and avoided the stud entirely.
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I suspect that wire is coming from another box in the wall to the right of your hole. And that box is covered up with the cabinet I would take that cabinet down and investigate further.
I see it coming out of a hole to the right of the hole I made. Not sure why they mounted the box to the left like that. Probably put the hole in the back panel and said, "oops, I missed" and stuck the box on the outside. Who knows.

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