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Old 02-10-2013, 03:15 PM   #16
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Bathroom receptacles must be 20 amp if your talking about the bathroom.
As I'm reading it... the bathroom is part of the new wet bar work.
But if not... then deal with them when you do the wet bar.

As I'm reading it... the OP will probably need a sub panel for the breaker space all this added on wet bar features (will chew up and is/was hoping to get away with just using tandems).

Whether they meet code or not... I just don't like 'em. Or MWBC's.
I'll repeat: Avoid them both.


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Old 02-10-2013, 03:33 PM   #17
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As I'm reading it... the bathroom is part of the new wet bar work.
But if not... then deal with them when you do the wet bar.

As I'm reading it... the OP will probably need a sub panel for the breaker space all this added on wet bar features (will chew up and is/was hoping to get away with just using tandems).

Whether they meet code or not... I just don't like 'em. Or MWBC's.
I'll repeat: Avoid them both.
He has three open spaces that all take tandems. He needs two circuits. Why will he need a subpanel?
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There is nothing wrong with using a tandem breaker to get two 20 amp 120 volt circuits to the bathroom and wet bar. Be sure what you use is indeed a tandem breaker and not a double pole breaker. A tandem will fit in one space with two toggles that are not handle tied. Like so .. cannot use this with mwbc as eastcoastsparky has pointed out. You can also buy them 15/20 instead of both the same
Thanks I am going to use a two pole unit
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That is a tandem breaker not a two pole.
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He has three open spaces that all take tandems. He needs two circuits. Why will he need a subpanel?
I agree
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K_Buzz, the breaker in the above photo is the one I have purchased. I was hoping to use this to run two 20amp circuits
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Thanks I am going to use a two pole unit
So u want a mwbc?
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K_Buzz, the breaker in the above photo is the one I have purchased. I was hoping to use this to run two 20amp circuits
Ok so you will run 2 sets off 12/2 not 12/3 which wiuld be a mwbc
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He has three open spaces that all take tandems. He needs two circuits. Why will he need a subpanel?
You're right. I missed the space detail and was reading more into it.
Probably your influence from that other thread.

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...and two 20 amp plugs below counter to run a mini fridge and wine fridge.
Two circuits total new.
The lights should be just fine being fed off the existing 15A circuit
and the existing basement receptacle 20A circuit (that he still has to find and split up) should be fine for the GP receptacles.

Still though... no tandem needed (or wanted by me).
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K_Buzz, the breaker in the above photo is the one I have purchased. I was hoping to use this to run two 20amp circuits
You can. However, you cannot run 12/3 to feed those two circuits. You will need to run two separate 12/2's.
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Ok so you will run 2 sets off 12/2 not 12/3 which wiuld be a mwbc
yes 2 new wired with 12-2 from a 20/20 two pole unit shown in the photo posted

all the lights and receptacles, excluding bath and wet bar, will be run on the existing 15 amp
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As I'm reading it... the bathroom is part of the new wet bar work.
But if not... then deal with them when you do the wet bar.

As I'm reading it... the OP will probably need a sub panel for the breaker space all this added on wet bar features (will chew up and is/was hoping to get away with just using tandems).

Whether they meet code or not... I just don't like 'em. Or MWBC's.
I'll repeat: Avoid them both.
I understand what your saying but the fact is .. it's a bathroom and has nothing to do with being part of a wet bar addition. The other fact is he has 3 full size slots available which are rated for tandems which would allow him to have 6 .. 120 volt branch circuits. Why would you want to run a subpanel ... that's my opinion .. He also has square d breakers which allow two wires under a terminal, often this is a good option if loads aren't going to be like those of hair dryers etc...

EDIT ... Sorry i am such a slow typer I didn't see you have already resolved this issue with K buz ...
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yes 2 new wired with 12-2 from a 20/20 two pole unit shown in the photo posted

all the lights and receptacles, excluding bath and wet bar, will be run on the existing 15 amp
Please stop calling it a two pole breaker it is a single pole breaker with two toggles for two seperate 20 amp 120 volt branch circuits.... Your driving me nuts .....
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I don't think I'll need any 12-3 between any thing being wired on the 20 amp.

for the bath, I was thinking of running 12-2 to a 20amp GFCI receptacle. then to the light switch (using pigtails for continuous flow). then to the fan switch (single) to the fan.

For the wet bar Run 12-2 to the 2-20 amp receptacles below counter With Pig tails, to the 2 20-amp GFCI recept. above counter on either side of sink

whatcha all think?
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Please stop calling it a two pole breaker it is a single pole breaker with two toggles for two seperate 20 amp 120 volt branch circuits.... Your driving me nuts .....
Sorry about that. It sates right on the breaker that it is a HACR type 2 pole unit j969.

Thats why I referred to it as that

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