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Old 03-28-2008, 10:04 AM   #31
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Boy for just an average guy you sure have brought a lot of attention to yourself......

What can I say, it comes natural. Actually, I am a radio host so that's waht I get paid to do!

Let me see if I can steer you in the right direction as for resources. First good books on theory (how things work) and things like grounding vs bonding, different voltage configurations ie single phase and three phase, transformers etc.. can't be had at the home centers or even libraries. Your going to have to spend a few bucks. Stop by a job site and ask the electricians where the trade book bookstore is located. There are usually two or three in the larger cities. You will find everything you can possibly imagine there. You can find a few good books at junior colleges that have trade courses.
Also on line at Mike Holt Or Tom Henry....Tom Henry was a big part of the electrical construction at Disney World in Florida. I met him years ago and have been to his bookstore outside Orlando, quite a fellow and he has excellent books on electrical theory and about anything you can think of in this trade.

I live in a pretty rural area, so the closest decent bookstore is about an hour and a half from here. I usually get what I need online. I have looked at a few books at Mike Holt's site, and was going to get one of them but was worried it would be waaaay over my head so I decided to start with the book I ordered from amazon. I have never heard of a "trade book store", but I will definatly look into finding one. My parents live in Massachusetts, so I will look around there when we go down next month.

Btw...and this is just my opinion...your father in law doesn't ask 'those' questions because he does not know the answers. To say you don't need to know what is going to happen is a ticket to disaster.

That thought has crossed my mind (that he doesn't know the answer). Like I said, that's part of the reason I found this site. I orgionally started reading on electriciantalk.com and contractortalk.com, but I can't interact there like I can here. Plus, there are alot of the same posters here as there that I see alot of knowledge coming from (pete, 220, inphase, lawnguy, etc).

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The bookstore I'm calling the 'trade bookstore' is where all your tradesman get the majority of their books for on going education and for classroom requirements. In your case it will be like being in a toy store full of everything you ever wanted.
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I like to read. I will have no problems reading through this, but my problem is a book can't give you a reponse like a human can.
So read the book and then come here and ask questions so you understand what you are reading. Start with basic electricity. Voltage, current, resistance, ohms law, voltage potential, conductors, insulators. Go from there.
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We always use this stuff www.speedwayelectricalproducts.com
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So read the book and then come here and ask questions so you understand what you are reading. Start with basic electricity. Voltage, current, resistance, ohms law, voltage potential, conductors, insulators. Go from there.
So then what is the purpose of this website?
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So then what is the purpose of this website?
To pick on people like you Andy!






Sorry! Couldn't pass that up.
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I have only one thing to add to this thread and I have no way of saying it without sounding totally rude. Oh well, here goes.

Andy you sound like a smart guy who is really eager to learn. Great, learn all you can and save yourself tons by not paying others to DIFY. But in the process of your learning please for the love of god stop giving people electrical advice!!!

I have only been reading these threads for a few weeks but I swear for every thread that you ask about something really simple there is anothere thread where your chiming in and giving advice!! Your shooting from the hip and you could very well hurt someone with poor advice.

Somebody is going to see your quick professional resoponse and think your an experienced pro, ask you another question and you MAY BE WRONG.

Again I have no nice way to say it but you're an average H.O. that is not in position to give advice. Let the pros chime in. There I said it, now I feel better. please take no offence just one more thing for you to learn

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I have only one thing to add to this thread and I have no way of saying it without sounding totally rude. Oh well, here goes.

Andy you sound like a smart guy who is really eager to learn. Great, learn all you can and save yourself tons by not paying others to DIFY. But in the process of your learning please for the love of god stop giving people electrical advice!!!

I have only been reading these threads for a few weeks but I swear for every thread that you ask about something really simple there is anothere thread where your chiming in and giving advice!! Your shooting from the hip and you could very well hurt someone with poor advice.

Somebody is going to see your quick professional resoponse and think your an experienced pro, ask you another question and you MAY BE WRONG.

Again I have no nice way to say it but you're an average H.O. that is not in position to give advice. Let the pros chime in. There I said it, now I feel better. please take no offence just one more thing for you to learn

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In my own defense, I don't answer questions I do not know the answer to.

There is alot that I DO know. Those are the things that I will help others with.

There is alot that I DONT know. Those are the things that I will not chime in on.
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I know you guys are talking UNfinished basements, but I feel that this is relevant to the thread.

In my home, we have a finished basement, with a drop ceiling. Many of the cable runs are right across the joists, and some aren't even stapled to every joist.
There is a run of 4 cables, 12/2 and 14/2 installed by a so-called professional, an electrician I assume, which come through a wall header from upstairs, and run across the laundry room, approx 8' without any support whatsoever.
Supposedly this work was inspected. Why on Earth would any inspector pass such shoddy work?

I have been running cables across the joists, and along joists, but not drilling holes through them (the joists<g>). My thinking is that because there is a drop ceiling, it is OK to run the cables this way.

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I know you guys are talking UNfinished basements, but I feel that this is relevant to the thread.

In my home, we have a finished basement, with a drop ceiling. Many of the cable runs are right across the joists, and some aren't even stapled to every joist.
There is a run of 4 cables, 12/2 and 14/2 installed by a so-called professional, an electrician I assume, which come through a wall header from upstairs, and run across the laundry room, approx 8' without any support whatsoever.
Supposedly this work was inspected. Why on Earth would any inspector pass such shoddy work?

I have been running cables across the joists, and along joists, but not drilling holes through them (the joists<g>). My thinking is that because there is a drop ceiling, it is OK to run the cables this way.

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Above the drop ceiling, the romex can be stapled to the bottoms of the joists. The staples can be no further than 4 1/2 feet apart. Also within 12" of a box. Or within 8" of a box where the romex is not secured to the box with a clamp devise.

The romex does not have to be stapled to every joist. You need a staple in that 8 foot unsupported section. I can't see anything "shoddy" other than a missing staple. Of course I'm not there.

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