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frohboy33 02-12-2013 05:39 PM

Baseboard heater questions
 
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I would like to wire 2 baseboard heaters in my basement. They are both 240v heaters. 1 is a 1500 watt and the other is a 500 watt. Each will have their own thermostat.

I currently have 100amp service to the house. There main panel is full.

A load center was added for a dishwasher.

My plan was to remove the current load center for the dishwasher and replace it with an 8 circuit, 4 place 125amp load center. I would then wire both heaters using 14-2 wire to the same 15amp double pole circuit breaker. I would move the current 20 amp circuit for the dishwasher to the new load center and there would then be 1 open spot in the new panel.

Does this sound ok? Are my wire sizes and breakers the right size? According to what I calculated I think it will work, but not sure when having different thermostats. Also what might happen if I were to add another 500 watt heater down the road?

Any help, confirmation, or guidance is highly appreciated.

I can take better pics if need be.
[IMG]ftp://cis.bismarckstate.edu/frohlich/Relay/all%20panels.jpg[/IMG]

rrolleston 02-12-2013 05:48 PM

Can you post a picture inside the panel? What size wire and breaker is feeding the dishwasher panel now?

frohboy33 02-12-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rrolleston (Post 1116055)
Can you post a picture inside the panel? What size wire and breaker is feeding the dishwasher panel now?

I can't tell what size wire it is by looking at it, sorry. There isn't any labeling on the part that I can see. The breaker for the dishwasher is a 20amp breaker. The wire size to the dishwasher is 12-2.

rrolleston 02-12-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by frohboy33 (Post 1116066)
I can't tell what size wire it is by looking at it, sorry. There isn't any labeling on the part that I can see. The breaker for the dishwasher is a 10amp breaker. The wire size to the dishwasher is 12-2.

What breaker turns off the power to that panel?

jbfan 02-12-2013 06:07 PM

That's not a 10 amp breaker.
The size of the breaker is on the handle, and will be 15 or 20.
The wire looks to be #6.
What size breaker feeds this small panel?

rrolleston 02-12-2013 06:10 PM

If the wire is stranded it's possibly 8 or 6. But I would read the jacket to be sure.

k_buz 02-12-2013 06:22 PM

Who ever installed the subpanel installed it incorrectly/illegally. The grounds and neutrals have to be separated.

frohboy33 02-12-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jbfan (Post 1116078)
That's not a 10 amp breaker.
The size of the breaker is on the handle, and will be 15 or 20.
The wire looks to be #6.
What size breaker feeds this small panel?

Sorry about that its a 20amp breaker not a 10.

From what I can see there is no breaker that feeds the small panel. The small panel is connected directly to the main power from the main panel.

The previous home owner I am assuming wired this himself. That is probably why it is incorrect/illegal. What should I do about that?

rrolleston 02-12-2013 06:32 PM

You can't use this panel it was installed incorrectly and should be removed by a qualified electrician.

k_buz 02-12-2013 06:32 PM

They make Pushmatic tandem breakers. I don't know if your panel is rated for them and they are not cheap, but that is one suggestion.

The other is contact an electrical contractor for a quote on a new service.

rrolleston 02-12-2013 06:33 PM

It's possible that there are a lot of illegal gremlins inside that panel.

I would be really interested to see the inside of the main panel.

frohboy33 02-12-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rrolleston (Post 1116108)
It's possible that there are a lot of illegal gremlins inside that panel.

I would be really interested to see the inside of the main panel.

I'm scared! I'll take a pic and post it up in a few.

frohboy33 02-12-2013 06:52 PM

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Here are inside of the main panel pics.

rrolleston 02-12-2013 07:00 PM

Many double taps in there. I would not use that panel the way it is. Looks like you could benefit from a panel upgrade so you have more room.

TarheelTerp 02-12-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rrolleston (Post 1116134)
Many double taps in there. I would not use that panel the way it is.
Looks like you could benefit from a panel upgrade so you have more room.

A service upgrade too.
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Originally Posted by frohboy
I currently have 100amp service to the house.



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