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Old 10-28-2013, 12:09 PM   #1
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Are there any states where by code you cannot use the stab ins on the back of switches and receptacles?

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Are there any states where by code you cannot use the stab ins on the back of switches and receptacles?
In my world 50, in the real world I have no idea but the spring loaded ones are typically a problem. If you have the screw clamp devices you are home free.

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Screw clamp devices are called back wired.
Push in ones are called back stabbed.
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Are there any states where by code you cannot use the stab ins on the back of switches and receptacles?
I doubt it. Know why? They pass UL.
How can that be? Because when used as the instructions say... they're fine.

As good as or better than the X method or Y method?
For the application? Installed as instructed? Or just slapped in without regard?
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I've only had trouble with a back-stabbed outlet once. That was enough for me to never do it again.

In fact, all of my outlets now have pigtails and are wired using the screws. It takes a little longer...but I worry a whole lot less.
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Are there any states where by code you cannot use the stab ins on the back of switches and receptacles?
I would first of all ask why you would do an electrical installation that has proven to be inferior?
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I would first of all ask why you would do an electrical installation that has proven to be inferior?
That is simply a false statement without any real proven data, otherwise no manufacture would keep producing a product that would put their name on the line….
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You cannot use #12 with backstabs, but I see no reason why you shouldn't use back stabs on #14 if you so wish.
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Let me clarify a little I have had a lot of calls of lights flickering or plugs not working that have been traced to back stabs coming loose. I don't use them, but kind of got into a argument about them the other day and I said I thought I had read where some areas had code that did not allow their use.
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...lot of calls of lights flickering or plugs not working
that have been traced to back stabs coming loose.
That's called an anecdote. It describes a correlation but not a causation.

Dig deeper to see what *else* was going on with those jobs; in particular the work quality of the rough-in and later the trim. I'll take a wild guess and say they were high volume, lots of rookie helper labor tract houses.
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That is simply a false statement without any real proven data, otherwise no manufacture would keep producing a product that would put their name on the line….
Every municipality I've worked in since about the mid-90s has outlawed the use of the back stabs. There's a reason for that.

As far as the manufacturer goes, I wouldn't place a lot of stock in that. It's easy to blame something else, like the person who did the installation. But I do know the old back stab receptacles I used to see years ago are harder to come by. So maybe the manufacturers are doing something about it too.
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Every municipality I've worked in since about the mid-90s has outlawed the use of the back stabs. There's a reason for that.

As far as the manufacturer goes, I wouldn't place a lot of stock in that. It's easy to blame something else, like the person who did the installation. But I do know the old back stab receptacles I used to see years ago are harder to come by. So maybe the manufacturers are doing something about it too.
First I am no fan of back stabbed devices but in my experience most local codes are instituted based a personal dislike, prejudice or dreams of greatness.
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Are there any states where by code you cannot use the stab ins on the back of switches and receptacles?
In those builds, where they are paid by the room or structure, it is quicker to just poke the wire into the back, then do it right, by cutting the insulation, making the loop and screwing down.

Really if you are using Commercial outlets and switches, which have a compression plate that is screwed down, using a "Yankee" drill makes it quicker to tighten the screws on those, then it does to hand twist the screw, and is just as fast as "Backstabbing".
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Here is a perfect way to install a receptacle if you don't use the LEGAL back stab option, purchase a torque screwdriver, set to the manafactures specifications, tighten the screw to this method, otherwise, you are just as much a hack as the guy back stabbing… just saying.
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In those builds, where they are paid by the room or structure, it is quicker to just poke the wire into the back, then do it right, by cutting the insulation, making the loop and screwing down.

Really if you are using Commercial outlets and switches, which have a compression plate that is screwed down, using a "Yankee" drill makes it quicker to tighten the screws on those, then it does to hand twist the screw, and is just as fast as "Backstabbing".
I have not seen a Yankee in years and someone stole mine out of the office, Mine still had a wood handle, not plastic like the last ones I saw for sale in the hardware stores.

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