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Old 04-17-2009, 12:37 PM   #16
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:54 PM   #17
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I have learned a lot here and am willing to learn a lot more. All this is possible because of people like InPhase, Speedy, Scuba, 220, Jamie, RSG, just to name a few who are always willing to share their knowledge and time. I admire this quality about you guys and hope that you can stick around for as long as possible. Thanks for your time.
I completely agree. I am beyond grateful for all of the advice that I've received here. Everyone has always been an incredibly helpful, professional, thorough, and polite with their input. I don't post much but I think I've read every single thread here just to soak up all of the knowledge I can.

As a first time homeowner of a very old house, I don't know what I do without you guys. Thank you.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:56 PM   #18
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Heck I wish I could find an Electrician locally that is as skilled as yourself, then I might actually get my electrical issues resolved.
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:09 PM   #19
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:26 PM   #20
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Those wires are flexible, so any idiot can put them in. Must be easy, just look at how bendy that cable is!
I am in the process of installing a set of 50 amp welder outlets. 6/2 SE cable isn't very flexible at all.
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:29 PM   #21
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Its scary whats on some other websites. This website is great because of all of you experienced electricians.

I hate it when some people think they are capable of electrical work when they are not. I remember seeing some guys handywork with a double pole 30 amp feeding two 14/2s.

You don't divide the 30 amp rating!

BTW maybe chris is dealing with the same crap. Haven't seen him post for awhile.

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Old 04-17-2009, 02:56 PM   #22
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Then he wanted to drill the holes and pull the wire, if it would save him some money.

I'm all for saving money, but when I'm running circuits for a pinball machine room, well, you probably got the money to spare. So, I told him sure, get to it.
First of all, I really do appreciate the advice of folks on this site.

Inphase, why did you tell him it would save him money if it wasn't really going to save him money? It kind of puts him in a bind now that the work is done. If he had know the size of the discount he probably would have
A: had you do it all without helping...
or B: found another electrician
It sounds like you would have prefered either of those options.

Personally I would have asked for an updated bid reflecting the discount.
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Old 04-17-2009, 03:21 PM   #23
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First of all, I really do appreciate the advice of folks on this site.

Inphase, why did you tell him it would save him money if it wasn't really going to save him money? It kind of puts him in a bind now that the work is done. If he had know the size of the discount he probably would have
A: had you do it all without helping...
or B: found another electrician
It sounds like you would have prefered either of those options.

Personally I would have asked for an updated bid reflecting the discount.
First, I want everyone to know that I wasn't ranting because of anyone here, per se. Because, as we know, only the folks who care to do it right stick around, and the hacks will never read it anyway. It was a shapeless rant directed at the aether.

As to your question, Dax, I never told him it would save him any money, that was all his assertion. His statement was: "To save money, I'll drill the holes and pull the wire." And it did save him some money. I was there 5 hours and only charged him for 4.

Picture this: 7000 sq. ft brick home, all by itself on God knows how many acres. 1/4 mile drive way, automatic gate. Brand new Ford F-350, and Toyoto Tacoma in the drive, not-very-old Infiniti in one side of the garage, '67 or '68 Impala (sweeeet...) in the other. 4-wheelers, golf cart, swimming pool and hot tub. Horse stable at the bottom of the hill behind the house, granite counter tops and stainless appliances in the house. Theater in the basement. Now the unfinished room next to the theater is going to be a room for his pool table that he hasn't bought yet, and the three pinball machines in the corner.

He walks me to a pile of junk in the shed and says he already has everything I need, including a partial roll of pre-1985 12-2 NM, and a slew of fiber boxes, most with bent or missing nails. He had breakers too. They were in a panel leaned against the wall, ripped out of some place he used to own. Oh glory! Maybe the next electrician he hires will use that crap, but I didn't. So this guy wanted to save on about $75 worth of material by using this used and out-dated crap. Then wants to chisel me out of $200 more.

I guess the money he saves will determine if he gets the red felt or the green...
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Old 04-17-2009, 03:42 PM   #24
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i know the feeling too well inphase.... i had a client keep me all day repairing a machine with windblows 95 on it and then didn't want to pay me for all my hours. i kept telling him it'll be S-L-O-W working on it. stuck to my guns though, got the entire amount and also a gift certificate to his store for $20.00.... *whoopie* (never used it and he went belly-up soon after...lol)
another gal i tried to help for free on the phone for an hour, finally ended up having to go there and charge her. $30.00 for 30 seconds work.... honest... go figure. we who have to deal with the general public for whatever trade we're in all have stories to share, i'm sure!
i'm doing ALL the work building this "unconventional" home for my family and ABSOLUTELY appreciate all the pro's input here.
i'd be driving hours back and forth to the library and tearing out *whoknowswhat* that the inspector would no doubt fail me on.
granted, i did the initial wiring and plumbing just to be able to move in here, but the info i've gained here is invaluable...

so... to all the electricians here, thanks!
to all the HVAC guys, thanks!
to all the construction guys, thanks!
to all the guys and gals that answer my oddball questions... thanks!

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Old 04-17-2009, 04:54 PM   #25
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Hey inphase, it seems you are a bit "out of phase" and are having some harmonic problems causing your neutral to be overloaded.

You generally seem well grounded. Maybe you have overloaded the connections and are simply due for a good PM (yes, I said PM, not Bm)

Hopefully I didn't add to the frustration. You seem like a good guy and I would never intentionally be the cause of you leaving.

Go have an A&W and relax. It's real good with a bit of Hershey's chocolate syrup in it. Even better when ice cream is added.

Hey, I'll be back later. I'm going to make me a float.
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Old 04-17-2009, 05:06 PM   #26
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Hey inphase, it seems you are a bit "out of phase" and are having some harmonic problems causing your neutral to be overloaded.

You generally seem well grounded. Maybe you have overloaded the connections and are simply due for a good PM (yes, I said PM, not Bm)
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To Inphase and the other pro's, you are appreciated on here. It can't be easy explaining things over and over. Your "rant" covered two areas, one that people want stuff done for free. These same people would not go to their day jobs and work for free. As for posting on here, it has to be frustrating at times to keep repeating advise on doing something safely and correctly. Some are just always going to do it "their way", right or wrong. Personally, I think what makes this site so good is the Pros who offer their insight and knowledge, yes its a DIY site but what good is it if we all do it the wrong way. I hope you'll still post here, whether or not I'm doing that exact task, I still learn much on this site,,,,,,,,, thanks a lot.
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Old 04-17-2009, 05:18 PM   #28
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Just thought I would check in...

Take a break INPHASE then come back and see us . As for me it's fishing season and turkey season and I will not be responding much either. You will... suffer 'burn out' doing these DIY forums.... it is much different than the professional only forums. Most do appreciate the professionals that offer their time here. I personally feel it is a valuable service we do here and an incredible resource for those DIYers that want to learn something about electrical. I do think sometimes we forget how dangerous our trade is and forget how incredibly dangerous it must be for the unknowledgable. You have no idea how many times I have felt like saying "you need to stop what your doing and get an electrican" on this forum. It takes a lot of resilience to stay the course with some of the posters here. I have gone so far to delete a lot of bookmark links used to help those here because I just don't want to do it anymore. I made some 75 drawings to try to give visual aid to explainations that many of us provide on this forum. Sometimes I think I need to get a life, sometimes I say I've had enough, then Speedy Petey comes to my rescue, or Chris 75, or KBSparky or Joed or yourself or goose or Jbfan to name just a few. It frankly is a time consuming task to frequent a DIY forum and stay at it for months on end. Some of us have been at this for years...myself I started with Selfhelpandmore 5 years ago... and finally landed here. I respond only occassionally to other forums. I find it beneficial to my character to help others who ask for help with electrical projects. Some people serve food at the soup kitchens. I guess I just do this instead to fulfill my community volunteer requirement....
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