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Old 03-31-2008, 07:06 PM   #31
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And a LOT quicker than asbestos will.
yep it will..go see your doctor and before he gives you any medication he will try and find out what is causing it and see if he can get you away from it... go and tell him you dont presently smoke but think you might like to try it cause it looks like fun and you dont think you wills moke more than a few day..see what he says..i bet he says if you dont smoke now I recomend you dont start...now tell him you know your attic is full of asbestos insulation but you need to do some wiring up there and you are going up without any protection or any thought about how you might be transporting it down into the house but you think because it will be a one time thing you dont think it will hurt you...he will likely say something like....it may not hurt you but i dont recomend doing it that way..you should hire professionals...or come in and tell him you have allready done your work in the asbestos filled attic and wonder if there is any concern...he willl likely write that you had an exposer in your chart and then tell you..naw..not likely anything to worry about but dont do it again.....then a year or two when you go back to him for a check up he will give you the once over..declare you perfectly fit and as you are putting your shirt back on ..and he is writing your good numbers in your chart he will see his remarks on your exposer and say to you....when was the last time you had a chest xray..i think we will send you in for one..just to be on the safe side...now why would he do that..maybe he is concerned for your health

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You know Billie, I read like the first few words of that and then just stopped.
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You know Billie, I read like the first few words of that and then just stopped.
good..that means we can quit
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good..that means we can quit
Sounds good to me.
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I don't think anyone on here said you should worry about one fibre. All the "chicken littles" on here want you to do is make an informed decision about whether you choose to protect yourself. As I said earlier, respect the stuff and it won't bite you. Disrespect it and it still may not bite you, but the odds start to shift. My grandmother had a trivet made of the stuff that she used in her kitchen for years and she's 92 now. Everyone can point to the person who worked around it for years and never had a problem. Same with the guy who smoked 3 packs a day and died of old age. But the statistics won't back you up. The last breath you took, probably included an asbestos fibre. Stand on a street corner while an older car comes to a stop and you'll inhale a few. They don't all stay in your lungs. If you sawzalled it off of a heat pipe, how many thousand fibres do you think you inhaled? How many of those thousands did you exhale? How many stayed stuck in your lung tissue? Same with crumbling floor tile and textured plaster ceilings and a whole host of other products including high temperature wire insulation. It's all a matter of odds. I hold an asbestos abatement certificate, but I only do it on company owned properties, so I don't have any financial interest in abatement one way or the other.
In response to the plaster question: Yes plaster can have it. Dpending on the area you live in. Where asbestos processing was close by, it was sometimes used in place of gypsum. It can be found in drywall, drywall compound, common in 9x9 floor tiles, sheet vinyl flooring, all types of insulating products. Textured plaster is notorious for containing it. Wiring insulation on stoves and boilers, caulking, lots of roofing products. Anything constructed up into the mid 1980s may have it somewhere. If you choose to have a product tested, make sure the lab can test using the PEL method. They will send you a report on the type of asbestos present if any, and the percentage quantity present in the bulk sample. Anything over 1% is considered an abestos containing material. If you have it in your home, and it's in good condition, leave it alone. It is an excellent product...... if you respect it.
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Well, the problem with my plaster, is part of it is falling, and a few weeks ago, I had to use a circular saw to cut the edges (trying to save as much as I can, being an historical house) and when I was cutting it, the dust was so think, like a very thick smoke. I was wearing a mask, but I know that I was breathing this stuff in. Now, I have completely stopped, trying to find a place in Tampa Florida to test this stuf. Well, if there IS this stuff in my plaster, I know that in time, I may be a gonner. This same type of textured plaster is in the living room, as well as the dining room. My concern also is if this stuff gets a positive result, I have no idea as to how I can ever afford to have it taken care of. I know that this work isn't cheap.

I'm not the type to panic like chicken little, but I try to look at it realistically. If its there.... "Houston, we have a problem".....
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I lived with my grandparents as a small child in the 70s all the way into my early 20s. The floor was covered with vinyl tiles which I can only assume contained asbestos since it had been there for as long as I could remember. The tiles would chip and break occassionally so I definately breathed in whatever was in the air. Didn't know anything about asbestos then. I also ripped up about 2 square feet of vinyl flooring 2 years ago in my current apt. At the time I didn't think nothing of it but after learning about asbestos I had the tile analyzed and it contained 25% Chrysotile asbestos fibers. I wonder how badly I've fcuked myself on that one.
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The only asbestos that can possibly harm you is air born particles. That which is locked up in floor tile and other solids is completely harmless. But you should be very leery of riding in cars and buses. Now THAT is dangerous.
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I would like to weigh in on this subject. The world of science and medicine deals in predictions based on large numbers of people over long periods of time. After data are studied then risk groups are identified. Rarley will you read in medical journals that, A causes B. You can save those kind of statments for the evening news, (fear report)
What does this mean for you? Small exposures to known carcinogens may place you in a slightly higher risk group than the guy who has never been exposed at all just the same as driving your car 100 miles a day increases you risk of a motor vehicile accident than the guy who drives 5 miles a day. I don't think anyone would tell you not to drive because driving causes accidental deaths.
Anecdotal information is of no use. We all know someone who likes to quote a story that they know a person who smoked every day of their lives and lived to be 97 so you can't tell them that smoking is bad for you. Same sort of thinking. The world's just not that black and white.
My advice to you, and everyone, would be minimize or eliminate your exposure to asbestos, wear a saftey belt and get plenty of fiber in your diet. Most of all, think criticaly based on evidence, not emotionally based on fear.
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I spoke to the guy from Accukits LLC, and will be sending him a sample tomorrow. I DO hope that there was none of the asbestor in my plaster, but I can't help being concerned. I was also informed how to eleminate a lot of the dust (Hepa vac) and he also told me about using "wet-wipes" to get the dust (and asbestos) cleaned up to a certan degree, he also stated that even IF I have been exposed to a high amout, the exposure over a few weeks in not nearly as bad as working with this for years. He told me to not worry, and just send in the samples. Well, I will do this, and I will post back the results when I get them. Its funny, my wife isn't even concerned?????

Thanks for the info on asbestos......I think.
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thought i was done here..but one more time..

there are many true statements in earlier posts..but this one... "one exposure will not kill you" is likely a safe bet..... but not a true statement

i will agree totally..."one time exposure is likley nothing to worry about"

now these are also true...if (and it is likley) that your one time exposure created dust in the air and you inhaled it...that some asbestos fibres made it to your lungs...these fibres will cause damage..enough to kill you ..not likley but damage will be done.

once an asbestos fibre in in your lung..it NEVER comes out

you should not let a one time exposure worry you to death..but you should ..if you never (that you know of) have been exposed..KEEP IT THAT WAY

if you have been exposed and have questions..ask your doctor..and read about all the research and make informed decisions on what you should do in the future..do not let neither us "chicken littles" or those whom think it is nothing to worry about make your choices for you...there have not likely been many (or any) experts on the subject post any comments yet

i have been in an asbestos study for the last two years..i have been educated first hand by experts (allthough that doesnt make me one) and am passing along information i have been given...believe it or not.... it is your health
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Well billie_t, if there is asbestos in my plaster, I am worried. This is why I am trying to find out the truth about what may have happened. The dust was so thick, if there is asbestos, then I KNOW I got one heck of an exposure. Am I concerned??? YES. I googles asbestos, and the various pages I read said NOTHING about plaster. Well, thanks to you guys here on this forum, I found that yes, it MIGHT be in the plaster. Thats why I have not gone any further with my work on the ceiling. I have stopped mid-stream.

As far as seeing my doctor, well, since my homeowners insurance has gone from $1200 to $4000 a year in just 6 years, I could not afford the health insurance. So going to a doctor is out of the question. If ANY insurance company ever found out I had a bad exposure to asbestos, then I would never be able to get health insurance again, besides, from what I have read, there is nothing a doctor could do for me now. I'll just have to waite until I get the test results of the plaster.
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Asbestos is in everything. Plaster, mastic glue, insulation, vinly tile, linoleum, siding.
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....., he also stated that even IF I have been exposed to a high amout, the exposure over a few weeks in not nearly as bad as working with this for years. He told me to not worry, and just send in the samples.
BINGO!
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i have been in an asbestos study for the last two years..i have been educated first hand by experts (allthough that doesnt make me one) and am passing along information i have been given...believe it or not.... it is your health
Well, I thought were done too.
IMO this quote above speaks volumes.
You are in an asbestos study? So you are being "educated" on this are you? By whom???
You are being told just what they want to tell you. Studies are a joke many times. I bet there is a pharmaceutical, or medical, or insurance company behind this "study". That can come up with whatever results they want and will have a bunch of good little soldiers to fight for them when they are done.

Just like those TV ads for #%*@# asbestos lawyers. Saying if you've EVER been "exposed" to asbestos you can sue everyone in the northern hemisphere and get millions of dollars because someone wronged you.
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pete..i am in a study.yes..will i ever be compensated for what is now in my lungs...NO..i volenteered for this study like everyone else in it..so that more can be found out about it..and possably some better treatments..the study is a joint venture, funded by local unions..government health care and the WCB..so i guess you could say evryone funding the thing has different "agendas" as you would like to have me believe...the unions want what is best for their members...the health care maybe want money and jobs..and the WCB wants to prove there is no danger (like you seem to think) so they will never have to pay anything out.....i would like the think those nodules in my lungs and the scar tissue is only a shadow in the MRI scan or that tomorrow morning i have one big honking cough and spit them out and live for another 40 years but i realize it aint going to happen..i jus t live like they are not there and hope each time i have an MRI it comes back...no change.

you may think i am a chicken little...and a scare monger...i assure you i am not...i have said a one time exposer is likely a safe bet that you wont die from asbestos...but why take the chance?

and this all started with a fellow whom went into his attic and from what i could gather from his post...had no idea of what he had really done...which could be..expose himself in the attic...come back down from the attice with this stuff in his hair..on his clothes...and quite possably exposed his family members...so i tried to tell him the dangers of asbestos so he would 1..not do it again without proper equipment and 2... clean up every thing he could where he was to eliminate any further exposure from particles that may have come back down from the attic with him

i did not come here to get in a pissing match with you..
you are entitled to believe that what ever you want about asbestos as i am..
and everyone else whom reads this forum can take what they want from it as well....i only hope anything i have posted helps in others getting educated and making their own mind up about if it could harm them or not
THE END for sure..lol

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