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Old 01-26-2009, 08:39 AM   #31
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Endangering yourself is one thing, endangering others is another.
I was hoping someone would take the bait. Wiring in a house is not endangering anyone else? Do you have a wife? Kids? Guests? Neighbors? The firefighters who risk their lives to put out the fire?

I am wiring a new house right now that is a replacement for a house which burned down. The owner wired the old house himself. It was determined that the fire was caused by an electric problem. The couple's 9 year old son died in the fire.

I had to re-do the wiring in the garage which was left standing. The wiring was, how shall I say ----- wrong!!!!!!!

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I shouldn't say the owner did the wiring, because I don't know that. But who ever did it should not be doing wiring.

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Old 01-26-2009, 08:53 AM   #32
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Is there anyway that a handyman can become licensed? Other than through a apprenticeship?
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:14 AM   #33
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Is there anyway that a handyman can become licensed? Other than through a apprenticeship?
In Wisconsin: Pass the exam. You have to prove 4 years of electrical experience to take the exam, and then pass it.

In 5 years the game changes in Wisconsin and there will be beginners licenses and residential only licenses. When that takes effect all wiring will be required to be done by licensed electricians only, with an exception for home owners working in their own homes.

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http://www.commerce.state.wi.us/SB/S...xplan0708.html
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:22 AM   #34
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Is there anyway that a handyman can become licensed? Other than through a apprenticeship?
In short, no. A handyman can't just get licensed... but a licensed electrician could become a handyman...
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:28 AM   #35
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In Wisconsin: Pass the exam. You have to prove 4 years of electrical experience to take the exam, and then pass it.

In 5 years the game changes in Wisconsin and there will be beginners licenses and residential only licenses. When that takes effect all wiring will be required to be done by licensed electricians only, with an exception for home owners working in their own homes.

Check out this link:
http://www.commerce.state.wi.us/SB/S...xplan0708.html

Ya, I've been doing electrical work for more than 8 years now. My company wants me to be licensed (looks better for them). I've done the smallest electrical job you can imagine to bringing power to a machine requiring three phase 480 drawing 300+ amps. I think that I know the code better than most who are not electricians (at least at my company). I figured that I would be required to pass an exam. The exam is on how well you know/apply the code, right?
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It was determined that the fire was caused by an electric problem.
The wiring was, how shall I say ----- wrong!!!!!!!
Was it faulty splicing?
Wire too small for the load?
Breakers too large?
Other?
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Ya, I've been doing electrical work for more than 8 years now. My company wants me to be licensed (looks better for them). I've done the smallest electrical job you can imagine to bringing power to a machine requiring three phase 480 drawing 300+ amps. I think that I know the code better than most who are not electricians (at least at my company). I figured that I would be required to pass an exam. The exam is on how well you know/apply the code, right?
I haven't read the link that John posted, but most licensing boards require that you have worked under a licensed electrician, not just done electrical work. For example, in Georgia, you have to show 8000 hours (4 years) of experience in installing electrical systems under the supervision of a licensed electrician. The application requires 3 references in the electrical field, at least one from someone with a license. All notarized and sent in personally by them. And you have to fill out several pages of forms detailing the types of work you have done (motors, generators, residential, etc), and give locations and contact names for the projects. Your boss has to submit a notarized letter stating how many hours you have worked for him and whether or not he feels you are competent to install electrical systems.
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I haven't read the link that John posted, but most licensing boards require that you have worked under a licensed electrician, not just done electrical work. For example, in Georgia, you have to show 8000 hours (4 years) of experience in installing electrical systems under the supervision of a licensed electrician. The application requires 3 references in the electrical field, at least one from someone with a license. All notarized and sent in personally by them. And you have to fill out several pages of forms detailing the types of work you have done (motors, generators, residential, etc), and give locations and contact names for the projects. Your boss has to submit a notarized letter stating how many hours you have worked for him and whether or not he feels you are competent to install electrical systems.
I understand what you're getting at. I'll give it a shot.

Thanks for everyone's input.
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I understand what you're getting at. I'll give it a shot.

Thanks for everyone's input.
Go to the Commerce web site for the application. It's not very difficult to do. Wisconsin is not quite as rigid as what InPhase laid out.

Yes the exam is all about code. It is an open book exam and it's tough. 4 hours for 100 questions if I remember right. It contains NEC 2005 and Comm 16 (Wisconsin code).

Send me a PM if you want to discuss it further since it's a Wisconsin thing.
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Was it faulty splicing?
Wire too small for the load?
Breakers too large?
Other?
I don't know the exact cause of the fire other than it was determined to be electrical in nature.

I live in a rural area where there was a no permit, no inspection, system in place until a couple years ago.

I shouldn't say the owner did the wiring. Because I don't know that for sure. But someone did the wiring who did not do it correctly. Maybe it was a previous owner or a handyman. I don't know. But I did find serious mistakes in the garage which could easily have resulted in a fire.
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As a homeowner that works on my own house, I'd love to hear what some of those mistakes are so I don't make them too... I like my kids! (usually. :-)
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the law just went through in Ontario 2 years ago requiring anyone contracting electrical work not just to be a licenced electrician but also a licenced electrical contractor, so moonlighting for regular "employed electricians is even illegal here. However any home owner can go buy materials and do the work themselves, the law requires even they must take out a permit and get an inspection, however a very large percentage don't. a few of us contractors have been requesting more changes, at the very least for someone who is not a EC to have to show their permit from the inspection department to buy certain materials, that would pretty much gaurentee that all (or a much larger percentage of) work is being inspected.

Some diy'rs do good work, however there is a large percentage that should not even consider doing it.
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a few of us contractors have been requesting more changes,
Well that's what it boils down to. People who make money doing wiring don't want homeowners taking work away from them. It's never about safety, it's always about money.
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Well that's what it boils down to. People who make money doing wiring don't want homeowners taking work away from them. It's never about safety, it's always about money.
For some I'm sure. Seems like those folks wouldn't be posting here, giving FREE advice on a forum...

More likely, though, is that they just want homeowners that do electrical work to be held to the same laws that govern contractors. If I have to meet a certain level of competence and follow all the rules for obtaining permits and inspections to do work on your home, what makes you think you can get by with less?
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For some I'm sure. Seems like those folks wouldn't be posting here, giving FREE advice on a forum...
You are right. It's not everyone, and sparkys who would post here are most likely not in that group.

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