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Old 03-13-2008, 12:00 PM   #1
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ARC Fault Breakers tripping after a fan install.


~ I just wanted to ask if it is possible to switch out an ARC Fault Breaker and replace it w/ a plain Circuit Breaker w/out any real hassle?

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~ I just wanted to ask if it is possible to switch out an ARC Fault Breaker and replace it w/ a plain Circuit Breaker w/out any real hassle?

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That depends...

is it a bedroom?
was your house built after 1999? or, is it work that was done after 1999, as in a compleete remodel or an addition?
Does your code have the arc fault in it? my local area removed the arc fault requirement, as have many areas, but not all.


But more inportant, WHY is it tripping the arc fault? how often?

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It is a bedroom. I had the home built in 2007. The ARC requirements came out in June of 2005. I don't plan on moving anytime soon, so would switching breakers work?

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That depends...

is it a bedroom?
was your house built after 1999? or, is it work that was done after 1999, as in a complete remodel or an addition?
Does your code have the arc fault in it? my local area removed the arc fault requirement, as have many areas, but not all.


But more important, WHY is it tripping the arc fault? how often?
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In this case I would want to know why it is tripping. It might be saving you from a very expensive fire and even loss of life. Just my opinion.
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It is a bedroom. I had the home built in 2007. The ARC requirements came out in June of 2005. I don't plan on moving anytime soon, so would switching breakers work?

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Legally, no. They are required by code.

Like I said, you would spend your time better finding out WHY it is tripping it. I have several fans in my house that are on arc fault breakers, and have NEVER tripped. 8 times out of 10, if a breaker is tripping all the time there is a problem with the wiring. 1 out of 10 is a faulty breaker and 1 out of 10 is an overload.
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In this case I would want to know why it is tripping. It might be saving you from a very expensive fire and even loss of life. Just my opinion.
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~ I just wanted to ask if it is possible to switch out an ARC Fault Breaker and replace it w/ a plain Circuit Breaker w/out any real hassle?

-J.

Unfortetally no if your state is allready required the AFCI we can not inverted back to normal breaker.

if you have issue with it senice you mention after you install the new fan there is possiblty there is a netural wire touching the ground wire it can trip the AFCI [ they can get pretty picky with it ] only way you can slove it is check the wire connection and make sure there is no other " bare " or uninsluated wire touching any spot at all even a little nick on it can trip them.

if the wire is really good shape no nick of whatever it is [ this fan trip after you turn on the switch ?? { it is a wall switch or remote or pull chain fan switch } ]

let us know first then we may able help ya in the right way.

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According to MIKE HOLT the AFCI breakers don't like some motor circuits. You need to have a qualified/good electrician check out the problem. Tread mill motors have been triping AFCI breakers also. If the electrician finds no problem with the circuit he could pull power from a non AFCI protected circuit for the fan/light and switch. Only the receptacles have to be on an AFCI breaker. This information came from a Licensed/Master Electrician friend of mine, and MIKE HOLT. Square D had a recall on some breakers that didn't work correctly. You could try a new AFCI breaker.

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According to MIKE HOLT the AFCI breakers don't like some motor circuits. You need to have a qualified/good electrician check out the problem. Tread mill motors have been triping AFCI breakers also. If the electrician finds no problem with the circuit he could pull power from a non AFCI protected circuit for the fan/light and switch. Only the receptacles have to be on an AFCI breaker. This information came from a Licensed/Master Electrician friend of mine, and MIKE HOLT.
In the 2008 edition, EVERYTHING has to be arc fault (for a bedroom at least). Lights, smokes, etc.
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I will check again thanks. Either way the fan might not work. Do you have the location for that code.

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210.12(B) Dwelling Units, All 120-volt, single-phase, 15-and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in dwelling unit family rooms, dining tooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sun rooms, recreation tooms, closets, hallways, or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by a listed arc fault circuit interupter, combination-type, installed to provide protection of the branch circuit.


It encompasses EVERYTHING in the room, not just receps.
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Never mind I found the info. I thought they had a handle on AFCI breakers now. I guess motors, and capacitors still mess with them. I have had Microwaves trip them also. I guess it is the high voltage transformer/capacitor circuit.
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Do you have the article that outlines just the changes to the 08 code? someone posted it here and I found it to be really helpful.

http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/album...2008_lr_bm.pdf
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I have that but I was told it was changed because of so much trouble with false tripping of the breakers. I'm sooooo confused.

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