Any Codes Or Tips On Too Many Water Pipe Junctions Near Panel? - Electrical - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-16-2011, 08:36 PM   #1
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,221
Rewards Points: 2,020
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


From my understanding pipes themselves arn't a problem near an electrical panel but what about junctions? If there will be a leak or a blow out, that is the more likely place.

I just realized I have quite a few near my panel, and I need to tap into some pex which means I will be adding another.

Is there any issues with this? (small circle is where I plan to tap)
Attached Thumbnails
Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?-pipes.jpg  

Advertisement

Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2011, 10:28 PM   #2
walt1122
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 225
Rewards Points: 198
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


Not an electrician but...here in New Jersey water lines NEAR panel box is a NO NO. Built our house in 2000 and they failed me cause tplumber ran the water line to the outside faucet across the top of the panel then outside. Had to remove the water line compeletly. They even had me remove a flexable heating duct that was to close to the panel box. So I think you need to be very careful here.

Walt

Advertisement

walt1122 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 12:35 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,510
Rewards Points: 2,008
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


Water pipes are fine over and under panels. As long as they do not interfere with panel access you are fine. The locations you show are positively fine. No question.

Walt1122. Your inspectors were wrong and you could have fought that and won. I know plenty NJ electricians and I have never heard such nonsense. As long as any objects do not impede access to the panel and the proper clearances are observed, you are fine and compliant.
J. V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 12:48 PM   #4
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,221
Rewards Points: 2,020
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


Cool that's what I figured. As long as the plumbing is done properly the odds of a burst or leak are probably very slim anyway.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 02:09 PM   #5
walt1122
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 225
Rewards Points: 198
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


Wow J.V. and all this time I have been racking my brain for ways around the water pipe, HVAC flex pipe to close to the panel issue.

We finally had to take over constuction from our builders after they screwed us so bad (money, construction over runs, delays and terrible workmanship) Plus the State inspectors never got called for inspections along the way were pissed and took it out on us. They nit picked us over everything, we had to meet with their supervisor every week to give them updates and discuss any issues they might find. The fire inspector had me cut an inspection hole through a outside wall to see how the chimney pipe was attached to the gas fireplace. Issue was the house was a modular and the fireplace was installed within the box that made up the extension of the house and installed on site as one piece all we had to do was put the cap on the galvinized pipe sticking out of the attached piece. It was inspected at the factory and the approval paperwork was displayed for all to see. So he had me open a hole big enough to go into the space of the fire safe wall so he could climb the ladder, and using his flashlight just eyeball the back of the fireplace and give HIS OK!!. So much for a fire safe wall!! Wife and I finally had to sit down with their supervisor and plead with her to please have her inspectors stop taking out their anger with the builders on us. Went a little easier after that but still continued to find faults that they didn't notice before and made our life a living hell. Just like the electrical panel issue.

thanks again J.V. glad you set me straight and gave Red Squirrel better info than I was offrering him.


Walt
walt1122 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 03:09 PM   #6
zpm
yeah, right
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: California
Posts: 142
Rewards Points: 75
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


thump. thump.

110.26(F)(1) indoor

(a) Dedicated Electrical Space. The space equal to the
width and depth of the equipment and extending from the
floor to a height of 1.8 m (6 ft) above the equipment or to
the structural ceiling, whichever is lower, shall be dedicated
to the electrical installation. No piping, ducts, leak protection
apparatus, or other equipment foreign to the electrical
installation shall be located in this zone.

Translation: You can't have non-electrical stuff directly above/below the panel.

walt1122, the inspector may have been right depending on the exact locations of the water line and duct.
__________________
Honey, does this tool belt make me look FAT?
zpm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 03:33 PM   #7
walt1122
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 225
Rewards Points: 198
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


Hi zpm, thanks for the Code reference. If I read this right, 6 feet ABOVE the equipment or structural ceiling, whichever is lower means I'm still in trouble cause my box is at eye height and the ceiling is at 8 feet. Plus Red Squirrel is in trouble too, right??

Walt
walt1122 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 05:37 PM   #8
Sparky
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 703
Rewards Points: 504
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


the protected space is only DIRECTLY above the panel, hold a straight edge to the face of the panel, everything behind it is the protected space
Techy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 05:56 PM   #9
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,221
Rewards Points: 2,020
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


So in my case only that big copper pipe is an issue, the rest is ok.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 07:38 PM   #10
Scared Electrician
 
Saturday Cowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 715
Rewards Points: 500
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


in a residence I wouldn't worry about it. But yes that space is claimed by the electrician. If an inspector ever came down there to look add a drop cieling and he can't complain
__________________
Ragged Trousered Philanthropist


Please follow the code - its there for your safety no matter how inconvenient.
Saturday Cowboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 08:53 PM   #11
walt1122
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 225
Rewards Points: 198
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


Hi Saturday Cowboy yes that is what I have planned. Hide the ductwork under some drop ceiling material. But if I undertand techy correctly I don't have to worry because the duct is directly above and in front of the panel so it is OK. Although just as I posted earlier the State inspector did make me take down the ductwork before he would pass us. We are getting ready to sell and I don't want any problems. I have to put the duct somewhere to feed the seldom used dining room. Only one is ther now and there should be two.

Sounds like Red Squirrel is in pretty good shape.

Walt
walt1122 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2011, 12:20 PM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,510
Rewards Points: 2,008
Default

Any codes or tips on too many water pipe junctions near panel?


Quote:
Originally Posted by zpm View Post
thump. thump.

110.26(F)(1) indoor

(a) Dedicated Electrical Space. The space equal to the
width and depth of the equipment and extending from the
floor to a height of 1.8 m (6 ft) above the equipment or to
the structural ceiling, whichever is lower, shall be dedicated
to the electrical installation. No piping, ducts, leak protection
apparatus, or other equipment foreign to the electrical
installation shall be located in this zone.

Translation: You can't have non-electrical stuff directly above/below the panel.

walt1122, the inspector may have been right depending on the exact locations of the water line and duct.
Not to split hairs with you as I am impressed you took the time to look this up.
Water lines and other equipment are allowed above and below panels as long as the proper clearances are observed.
My original post states that clearances must be observed and that water lines and other equipment CAN be located above or below panels.

In the OP's case, the locations he points to would be compliant. Your last sentence is exactly right.

Advertisement

J. V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Best way to join Poly pipe, for a water pipe repair. carl1864 Plumbing 10 11-03-2014 01:31 PM
Grossly insufficient water supply to toilet wasting water? mysterylectric Plumbing 8 01-17-2012 12:19 PM
Water Inside/Around American Standard Furnace michrob HVAC 8 12-08-2011 04:51 PM
Cold water is warm - hot water leak under slab? Homerepairguy Plumbing 9 10-13-2010 09:17 PM
Hot water faucet pipe thumps then flow slows down. DIY-Indy Plumbing 9 07-16-2009 12:09 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts