Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-24-2007, 04:16 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 86
Share |
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


This old home stuff is getting to me. I'm used to plastic box installs and a ground pigtail to the outlet. The current old home we bought has a combination of plastic and metal boxes. I've found an online source for ordering self-grounding outlets ($3.97 for box of 10). My question is do all self grounding outlets also include a ground terminal for plastic box applications? The lady on the phone said it did but I'm not certain she understood my question, so I'm checking with the experts. Me, I'd rather ground both box and outlet and not rely on the spring clip, but the price seems hard to beat, otherwise I'd go with Levitons or similar. As an alternative, is their a good online source to purchase boxes of outlets?

robertmee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2007, 05:15 PM   #2
Licensed electrician
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,410
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


Before you think about installing the self grounding devices you need to verify whether your wiring method can be used to provide the ground.

How old is the house wiring and what type of cables or conduit was used?

Jim Port is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2007, 05:19 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 86
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


No conduit, each 12/2 has a green ground wire. Appears to be standard white jacketed romex.

Last edited by robertmee; 10-24-2007 at 06:07 PM.
robertmee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2007, 10:53 PM   #4
UAW SKILLED TRADES
 
Stubbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kansas
Posts: 4,876
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


Yes all receptacle types have a green screw for grounding. $3.97 for ten outlets give me concern though. That is slightly above the price of one good quality self grounding outlet yet alone 10 of them. Also if you have a green ground wire in romex your house is haunted.....

Stubbie
__________________
" One nice thing about the NEC articles ... you have lots of choices"

Stubbie
Stubbie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2007, 07:23 AM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 86
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbie View Post
Yes all receptacle types have a green screw for grounding. $3.97 for ten outlets give me concern though. That is slightly above the price of one good quality self grounding outlet yet alone 10 of them. Also if you have a green ground wire in romex your house is haunted.....

Stubbie
Why is it haunted? I'm used to bare, but this Romex has an insulated green, although it's a weird insulation. It's rectangular instead of round. And very stiff, almost like paper based instead of polymer. But it is definitely formed insulation (not a paper wrap) and requires strippers to remove.

BTW, here's the link to the outlets, if anyone has any experience ordering from them: http://www.kk-lite.com/p/wiring-devi...klid=30-R15-SW
robertmee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2007, 08:21 AM   #6
Licensed Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SC
Posts: 1,534
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


Quote:
Originally Posted by robertmee View Post
Why is it haunted? I'm used to bare, but this Romex has an insulated green, although it's a weird insulation. It's rectangular instead of round. And very stiff, almost like paper based instead of polymer. But it is definitely formed insulation (not a paper wrap) and requires strippers to remove.
And I'll bet the ground wire is a smaller gauge than the other (#16). Early NM cable with ground was made like this. Probably from the early '60s.
HouseHelper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2007, 08:35 AM   #7
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 86
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


Quote:
Originally Posted by HouseHelper View Post
And I'll bet the ground wire is a smaller gauge than the other (#16). Early NM cable with ground was made like this. Probably from the early '60s.
Yep, exactly. It is smaller.
robertmee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2007, 12:02 PM   #8
UAW SKILLED TRADES
 
Stubbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kansas
Posts: 4,876
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


Sorry.... just a figure of speech about the ground wire. It is sort of an inside joke around my area as we have a lot of older homes (1960 or so) with romex made by essex wire that has this green ground. A few strange occurrences have been noted in some of these homes....
Anyway the receptacles are most likely going to be the very low end of quality and I would suggest a better quality receptacle that has the metal yoke wrapped around the back of the receptacle instead of the glued together type on that web site.

Stubbie
__________________
" One nice thing about the NEC articles ... you have lots of choices"

Stubbie
Stubbie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2007, 12:34 PM   #9
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 86
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbie View Post
Sorry.... just a figure of speech about the ground wire. It is sort of an inside joke around my area as we have a lot of older homes (1960 or so) with romex made by essex wire that has this green ground. A few strange occurrences have been noted in some of these homes....
Anyway the receptacles are most likely going to be the very low end of quality and I would suggest a better quality receptacle that has the metal yoke wrapped around the back of the receptacle instead of the glued together type on that web site.

Stubbie
Any online sources for purchasing good, but economical receptacles? I'm going to have to replace them all in this home as the previous owners painted them brown. I know paint on an outlet is an NEC no-no.
robertmee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2007, 01:49 PM   #10
Licensed electrician
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,410
Default

Another Dumb question - Self grounding outlets


I have never had a problem with the Pass and Seymour 3232 type receptacles

Jim Port is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hot Tub Install--Grounding Rod Question statgeek_rob Electrical 16 09-15-2007 02:59 AM
NEC Question Jafsvcs Electrical 1 06-13-2007 05:45 PM
grounding to water pipe question eastvantrading Electrical 6 12-20-2006 09:49 AM
Question on Grounding ayudi General DIY Discussions 2 12-11-2006 04:14 AM
Wiring Design Considerations Question tjandt Electrical 6 09-26-2006 05:44 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.