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casnart 07-16-2009 12:01 PM

50 Amp GFCI tripping
 
I have installed a sub panel for a hot tub with a 50 Amp GFCI. The GFCI trips right away. I have removed all the load side wires and it still trips. To review how I have things hooked up after a bit of troubleshooting: The line side hots are attached to the sub panel terminals. The line neutral is tied to the neutral bar. The GFCI load neutral line is tied to the neutral bar. When the GFCI is snapped into place and the breaker set, it's trips right away. No wires are attached to the load side at all. So why does it trip?

KeithM62948 07-16-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by casnart (Post 302588)
... The GFCI load neutral line is tied to the neutral bar.

The load neutral should be attached to the GFCI.

Scuba_Dave 07-16-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KeithM62948 (Post 302604)
The load neutral should be attached to the GFCI.

Yup - Keith has it, the way you have it wired will cause it to trip

300zx 07-16-2009 01:00 PM

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...AFCI-120Vs.jpgJust think of it as a 2 pole 50 same setup neutral from spa goes on breaker and white pigtail wire on breaker goes to neutral bar

jerryh3 07-16-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 300zx (Post 302622)
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...AFCI-120Vs.jpgJust think of it as a 2 pole 50 same setup neutral from spa goes on breaker and white pigtail wire on breaker goes to neutral bar

Not the best analogy. There will be three wires going to the breaker instead of two. Only the ground wire from the spa will be going to the ground bar in the sub panel.

300zx 07-16-2009 01:33 PM

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...eaker_wiri.jpg
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Originally Posted by jerryh3 (Post 302624)
Not the best analogy. There will be three wires going to the breaker instead of two. Only the ground wire from the spa will be going to the ground bar in the sub panel.


casnart 07-16-2009 01:45 PM

The GFCI pigtail is attached to the neutral bar. The kicker here is that nothing is attached as far as a load. The wiring to the hot tub isn't run yet. Alll that is there is the GFCI and the line connection. So bad GFCI?

300zx 07-16-2009 01:52 PM

Could be is it a new gfci?.I would hook up everything first then try Gfci are not cheap

theatretch85 07-16-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by casnart (Post 302588)
The line neutral is tied to the neutral bar. The GFCI load neutral line is tied to the neutral bar.

This is incorrect, the LOAD neutral should not connect to the neutral bus bar! Only the white wire attached to the GFCI should be connected to the neutral bus bar (the factory installed wire). According to the above quote, you have a short white wire attached to the LOAD Neutral and also attached to the panel neutral bus.

300zx 07-16-2009 01:55 PM

Are your grounds and neutrals seperated in the sub panel?

casnart 07-16-2009 02:04 PM

Ok, I think a couple things are getting confused here.........let me try again. This is what is hooked up and where:

From the main panel in the house: I have the black and red wires (Hot Lines) attached to the line terminals on the sub box. The white wire from the main panel is attached to the neutral bar in the sub box.

The white wire, that is part of the GFCI, is attached to the neutral bar in the sub box.

No wires from the hot tub (Load lines) are attached at all to the GFCI.

I clip the GFCI into the sub box and put the lever to the "on" position and it trips right away.

Basically use the picture that 300zx posted and take the three load lines out of the picture. This is what has me confused. I have nothing attached TO the GFCI and it trips.

Scuba_Dave 07-16-2009 02:07 PM

OK, is the ground bus & the neutral bus separate in the sub panel?
Is the neutral bus isolated from the steel case?

casnart 07-16-2009 02:18 PM

Yes to both.

The ground wire from the house is now hanging free, I did have it attached to the metal case of the sub box at one time. Didn't matter either way.

The neutral bus on the sub box is isolated from the box.

300zx 07-16-2009 02:24 PM

Put a ground bar in and HOOK up the ground

casnart 07-16-2009 02:42 PM

300zx......hooking the ground wire to an isolated bar is going to help what? I'm missing something here.

Is the ground and the neutral supposed to be hooked together at the house box? Are they supposed to be separate from the other neutral and grounds in there?


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