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analogmusicman 05-16-2008 06:10 PM

50 AMP circuit entry through foundation
 
my question is a rather simple one: when I run the heavy duty ROMEX through a hole in my foundation (I'm running the wiring for a range in conduit outside the house) from a j-box, does that ROMEX need any protection from the concrete? should I be using some special kind of ROMEX kind of like UF which you can bury?

tnx,

chris75 05-16-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by analogmusicman (Post 123657)
my question is a rather simple one: when I run the heavy duty ROMEX through a hole in my foundation (I'm running the wiring for a range in conduit outside the house) from a j-box, does that ROMEX need any protection from the concrete? should I be using some special kind of ROMEX kind of like UF which you can bury?

tnx,


NM, (aka Romex) cannot be run outside, even if installed in conduit. so yeah, either use UF, or another wet rated wiring type.

analogmusicman 05-16-2008 08:16 PM

Chris75,
let me explain, then i'll ask again:
going from the panel (outside the house) will be a stretch of 3/4 EMT.(mounted on the house) inside that EMT will be four separate conductors. when the EMT arrives at the spot in the foundation where the wiring will enter through a hole drilled in the concrete,I will mount a weathertight J-BOX. In that j-box I will connect a long enough length of ROMEX to go through the hole and down to the receptacle. my question is whether the ROMEX needs to be protected from the concrete for that short stretch where it goes through the hole. (maybe a foot or so?)

tnx,

chris75 05-16-2008 08:21 PM

Gotcha, much better explanation. If I was doing it, I would sleeve the RX in pvc. But in reality, its not a code violation not to, but some may feel its subject to physical damage.

analogmusicman 05-16-2008 08:32 PM

so I'll get a masonry drill big enough to drill a hole that'll accomodate a piece of pvc and run the ROMEX through that. thanks for the info.

tnx,

chris75 05-16-2008 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by analogmusicman (Post 123676)
so I'll get a masonry drill big enough to drill a hole that'll accomodate a piece of pvc and run the ROMEX through that. thanks for the info.

tnx,

Have fun with that! :), the drilling part.

analogmusicman 05-18-2008 05:27 PM

just went to HD. the biggest hammer drill bit is 1", which is just shy of what I'd need to slide in some 1/2 pvc, which would almost accomodate my 50A ROMEX so,needless to say, there'll be no pvc in the concrete but it sounds like ROMEX doesn't need protection from concrete so the ROMEX will simply be run through the hole.

tnx,

thegonagle 05-21-2008 12:30 AM

I might be too late, but your local rental center should be able to rent a larger drill bit than 1" to you, along with a correspondingly larger hammer drill.

IIRC, I rented a 1 3/4 inch bit + a really big Makita hammer drill for around $30 for 4 hours in order to run an 8/3 UF (and a 12/3 UF) through my solid foundation wall out to my detached garage.

Seeing how the only drills I own are an old 9.6v Makita (you know the old-fashioned kind with the really long handle?), and a $20 Harbor Freight electric POS, the rental fee was a bargain for the one time I've actually needed a larger drill than the two I have.

analogmusicman 05-21-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by thegonagle (Post 124686)
I might be too late, but your local rental center should be able to rent a larger drill bit than 1" to you, along with a correspondingly larger hammer drill.

IIRC, I rented a 1 3/4 inch bit + a really big Makita hammer drill for around $30 for 4 hours in order to run an 8/3 UF (and a 12/3 UF) through my solid foundation wall out to my detached garage.

Seeing how the only drills I own are an old 9.6v Makita (you know the old-fashioned kind with the really long handle?), and a $20 Harbor Freight electric POS, the rental fee was a bargain for the one time I've actually needed a larger drill than the two I have.


actually HD is going to rent me a big hammer drill and a big bit so I can put some pvc in the hole so you're not too late. :no:

tnx,

jrclen 05-21-2008 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by analogmusicman (Post 124853)
actually HD is going to rent me a big hammer drill and a big bit so I can put some pvc in the hole so you're not too late. :no:

tnx,

I'm doing my best to keep up with your multiple threads on this single project. Is this still the 3 #6 and 1 #8 project in the 3/4 EMT? What size romex and how many conductors? The 1/2 pvc is to small for 6-3/wG type NM. I would continue the 3/4 EMT at least to a box inside. Actually, I would run the EMT all the way to the receptacle and have a professional job.

analogmusicman 05-21-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jrclen (Post 124888)
I'm doing my best to keep up with your multiple threads on this single project. Is this still the 3 #6 and 1 #8 project in the 3/4 EMT? What size romex and how many conductors? The 1/2 pvc is to small for 6-3/wG type NM. I would continue the 3/4 EMT at least to a box inside. Actually, I would run the EMT all the way to the receptacle and have a professional job.


actually,I'm hoping to rent a big enough bit so I can put a piece of 3/4 pvc in the hole to sleeve the NM. The NM is 4 wire (3 plus ground)
now for the outrageous part: I priced the wire at HD and I'm looking at about $375 (plus around 100 for EMT and fittings) the price of gas is bad enough but the price of building materials is going up faster than health care. hope mccain does something!:whistling2:

jrclen 05-22-2008 09:47 AM

I feel your pain there. Prices are getting out of hand. Aluminum and copper must be made of gold these days.

analogmusicman 05-22-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jrclen (Post 125022)
I feel your pain there. Prices are getting out of hand. Aluminum and copper must be made of gold these days.


yeah...while I was at HD a guy was pricing an entire roll of #6 solid copper,didn't hear the price but I'll bet the guy's blood pressure dropped to 0 when he heard it! :no:


tnx,

jerryh3 05-22-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jrclen (Post 125022)
I feel your pain there. Prices are getting out of hand. Aluminum and copper must be made of gold these days.

No. I think gold is cheaper. Around my way wire prices have come done a little from last year.

jrclen 05-23-2008 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jerryh3 (Post 125119)
No. I think gold is cheaper. Around my way wire prices have come done a little from last year.

Our prices came down a bit on NM copper but last week they were back up to where they were. Just in time for the summer building season. :laughing:


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