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robdville 10-21-2007 05:56 PM

3-way switch mess
 
Hi there, new to the forums and hoping you guys can help. I am trying to correct some wiring disasters in my garage. I counted at least 5 live stray wires. In removing all the junk and attempting to rewire the 3 way switch I've done something wrong.

I "thought" I followed this diagram well, http://www.the-home-improvement-web....ch-option3.htm but obviously I've made a mistake.

The light works only if "switch1" is on. If on, switch2 can turn the light off and on, but doe NOT if switch1 is off.

What the heck have I done wrong??

Thanks in advance,

R Davis

Knucklez 10-21-2007 06:57 PM

switch 1 is in series with the power.. did you notice how one white wire gets striped with black electrical tape and then used as a HOT wire?

anyway, the picture you have is a good one. so, just take your time and double check your work.

Knucklez

Andy in ATL 10-21-2007 07:09 PM

Are you certain THIS diagram is the one that pertains to your situation? You have the travelers crossed, that is to say on one switch you have a traveler on the common screw and either the switch leg or the hot on a traveler screw. DON'T get frustrated, and remember to turn off the power before you switch wires. You only are ONE wire off, so don't go nuts and switch around a bunch of wires.:thumbsup: :yes: Keep us informed and let us know if you get it right!!

robdville 10-21-2007 10:27 PM

Thanks for the quick info guys. I'll re-examine tomorrow. My gosh, understanding how the mess that preceeded me ever worked is amazing....accepting that cleaning it up, and not is frustrating. I'll report back soon.

J. V. 10-22-2007 01:03 PM

That is one of the most complicated three way diagrams I have ever seen. That is why I cannot stand to look at a physical wiring diagram. Just confuse the DIY'ers even more.

Throw it out.

Connecting a three way switch:

1) connect the power (hot) to the off colored terminal of either switch.
2) connect the light or lights to the other off colored terminal of the other switch.
3) Connect the two terminals of the switch (same color) to the other switch same terminals (same color). 2 wires from one switch to the other.
3) connect all the neutrals together and make sure one goes up to the light. There may be one up there already (neutral)
4) have a cold beer

white29 10-22-2007 03:44 PM

Sorry to differ JV,but I found those very diagrams to be a huge help in diagnosing a three way nightmare I had in my home just about a year ago.I'm just a DIYer and you i realize are a master sparky but i found that by taking my time,thinking clearly and realizing how my particular three way system worked i was able to correct the problem.(After tearing two small ceilings out)Again,I found those diagrams to the best on the web,and i looked at lots,believe me.

Andy in ATL 10-22-2007 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white29 (Post 69362)
Sorry to differ JV,but I found those very diagrams to be a huge help in diagnosing a three way nightmare I had in my home just about a year ago.I'm just a DIYer and you i realize are a master sparky but i found that by taking my time,thinking clearly and realizing how my particular three way system worked i was able to correct the problem.(After tearing two small ceilings out)Again,I found those diagrams to the best on the web,and i looked at lots,believe me.


Realizing how your 3-way is wired is, indeed the key.:yes: Keep the faith, based on your post describing how the switches work RIGHT NOW, I'll reiterate- you are only one wire off.

joed 10-22-2007 06:25 PM

You have the wrong wire on the common screws of one or both of your switches. Don't attempt to identify the common screw by the position. It will be the screw that is a different colour(usually black).


Here is the wiring presented in a different manner.

http://www.selfhelpandmore.com/switc...waypwswthrufx/

http://www.selfhelpandmore.com/switc...pwswthrufx.jpg

robdville 10-22-2007 09:40 PM

Thanks for the diagram Joed, I'll review ASAP...may not have an answer til wkd.

Thanks again!

joed 10-23-2007 05:46 PM

It is the same drawing you had. It is just easier to read without all the grounds cluttering it up.

robdville 10-23-2007 06:01 PM

Hmm, I thought the omission meant I didn't need them :wink:

Thanks again.

robdville 10-28-2007 01:51 PM

Okay, update:

It works! -when will I ever heed the lesson learned in "reading" instructions; not just admiring the pretty pictures :no:

Based on the graphics, I took for granted the placement of the common screw. After taking both switches out and "READING", aligning properly; all is well!

Many Thanks to everyone!

Andy in ATL 10-28-2007 02:25 PM

Rob-

you're the man...:thumbup:

moneymgmt 12-28-2007 04:46 PM

I'm coming back to this post because I have a question on the original diagram.... which actually makes good sense to me. I have 3 lights in a series, with a switch at either end. In this diagram, the neutral wire goes from switch one to the first light, but then white wire is taped off and used for power from switch two. Since I have more than one light, how do I wire this to keep a neutral back to lights two and three?

moneymgmt 12-28-2007 05:29 PM

I'm still curious as to the "correct" way to wire it; for the time being I ran a single 14guage wire from the first light to the second, and then to the third wire-nutting the neutrals together. Aint pretty but its functional!


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