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jammbud 01-22-2008 05:50 PM

3-phase Residential/Commercial
 
Hello There...I'v got a mobile home w/ a 100amp Service Panel and am building a small printing shop next door. I have two extra spaces from the Main Panel to feed a 70Amp Subpanel to the shop, easily for lighting and recepts. However I have one printer that requires a 3-phase 30Amp Breaker. Right now that printer is hooked up to a Square-D 3-phase breaker, but in a Commercial Building. Would I need to purchase a different kind of Panel w its own Commercial Service or can I snap that 3-pole or 3-phase Circuit Breaker into a Residential Subpanel? Appreciate any help!

220/221 01-22-2008 05:59 PM

It's not gonna happen. You will not have 3 phase available at your trailer.

3 phase is provided from the power company. 3 hots, one neutral.

You will have single phase at the trailer. 2 hots, 1 neutral.

Get new equipment or google "phase converter". About 300 bucks.

Speedy Petey 01-22-2008 06:04 PM

So you're going to feed a "commercial" space with 70a from a 100a residential service??? Doesn't sound like the best idea to me. :whistling2:

jammbud 01-22-2008 07:27 PM

Oh no kidding ...yeah the 20'x20ft' room or building will be like a standard 1room circuit for the lighting and about 8 outlets but the 3-phase printer is whats throwing it off. Yeah I guess the single phase wont handle that so I guess the Converter is the only way to go then huh if thats the printer I want to keep? And also would I need a bigger Subpanel than 70Amp if I use the 30Amp 3-phase Converter?

220/221 01-22-2008 08:14 PM

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would I need a bigger Subpanel than 70Amp if I use the 30Amp 3-phase Converter?

Bigger is always better but....I don't know. I don't think the draw on the converter is much more than the machine itself.

Google for the specs.....or buy/trade a single phase printer.


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So you're going to feed a "commercial" space with 70a from a 100a residential service??? Doesn't sound like the best idea to me.
It's called bootstrapping. Some very sucessful enterprises have started in a garage or behind a trailer.

jammbud 01-22-2008 08:26 PM

Thanks 220/221..can I run a 100Amp Subpanel off the 100 Amp Main?

handyman78 01-22-2008 10:27 PM

No- not according to Stubbie from another post:
"One last thing...if your dwelling service panel is 100 amps you cannot subfeed out of it with an installed 100 breaker to another panel of equal amperage or greater. A 100 amp panel will only have a bus stab rating of 70 amps in the Usa this will be the largest breaker you can sub-feed with. All panels have bus stab ratings depending on the rating of the panel. The exception being panels that have feed thru lugs"

jammbud 01-22-2008 10:53 PM

So I guess Im wondering now if I purchase the 3-Phase Converter, will it work in a 100Amp Subpanel that will be feeding off the 100Amp Main Panel without tripping? The 3-Phase should be converted down to the Double Pole 30Amp Breaker right? And the remaining circuits for the standard residential room lighting and outlets will be 20Amp.
Or am I better off just gettin a whole new 200Amp Main to the trailer then feeding the 100Amp Sub off that?
Again, at this moment at a different location in Az., the 3-Phase Printing machine is running off a 3-Pole 30Amp Breaker, in a commercial building, using 10-3 Romex. But I need to move my printer to my house into this small room next to the trailer.
One more thing I didnt mention is my trailer has a 100Amp Disconnect or meter from utility pole then goes inside the trailer to the 100A Panel. Thanks so much for your help!

jammbud 01-22-2008 10:57 PM

Thanks handyman78 didnt see you but that answers that question about feeding a 100Amp Sub from a !00Amp Main. Damn here I was trying to save some bucks..haha. I guess Ill have to get a 200Amp Main Panel unless my 3phase will run off a 70Amp Sub.

jammbud 01-22-2008 11:05 PM

The Panel inside the trailer is a main lug 100A panel and the disconnect or meter at the pole has the !00Amp Breaker.

Bondo 01-23-2008 05:37 AM

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One more thing I didnt mention is my trailer has a 100Amp Disconnect or meter from utility pole then goes inside the trailer to the 100A Panel.
Ayuh,.......

You need a new Bigger service entrance to do what you're attemping to do......
Maybe a Bigger "100Amp Disconnect or meter from utility pole",...
Then branch off to the trailer,+ to the Shop......

NateHanson 01-23-2008 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jammbud (Post 91092)
Thanks handyman78 didnt see you but that answers that question about feeding a 100Amp Sub from a !00Amp Main. Damn here I was trying to save some bucks..haha. I guess Ill have to get a 200Amp Main Panel unless my 3phase will run off a 70Amp Sub.

I run a 7.5 hp rotary phase converter off my 60a subpanel, from my 100a main. The phase converter requires a 30A 2-pole breaker. I run a 5hp jointer and 1.5 hp lathe off the converter.

I think you'll be fine.

220/221 01-23-2008 06:48 PM

Is there an extra 2 pole space in your meter pedestal? You might want to run it from there. I have installed a few AC circuits in trailers this way.


I'd come and look at it for you but I swore off trailers :laughing: Nothin but trouble.


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