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Old 04-18-2013, 11:29 AM   #16
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According to manufacturer specs, you are not allowed to do that and will void any warranty on the equipment.
I doubt that's enforceable. Changing plugs is a standard procedure.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:53 AM   #17
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I doubt that's enforceable. Changing plugs is a standard procedure.
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I dont see how that applies here. Looks like it was pretty clear that modifying the plug would void the warranty. By that logic I could change the plug on my dryer to a 15a-120v and plug it into a standard wall outlet and then claim a warranty replacement when something dies.
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:55 PM   #18
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I dont see how that applies here. Looks like it was pretty clear that modifying the plug would void the warranty. By that logic I could change the plug on my dryer to a 15a-120v and plug it into a standard wall outlet and then claim a warranty replacement when something dies.
The point of the Magnuson-Moss Act and the many state laws that mirror it is to prevent manufacturers from voiding warranties for irrelevant reasons. Customer modification or the use of non-factory accessories or parts is one of the most common examples where this is applicable. Unless the customer's actions can reasonably be claimed to have contributed to the failure, it can't be used as an excuse to void the warranty. Putting an aftermarket air filter on your car does not void the powertrain warranty. Using non-factory bags on your vacuum cleaner doesn't either (yes, that was actually litigated once). Likewise, changing the plug on an appliance cannot be claimed to void the warranty, unless there is a particular reason to believe that it caused damage. Your example isn't a great one, since there would be no damage to the dryer - it just wouldn't work well. Besides, that's the wrong power source for the appliance. The plug isn't the issue in that example; the power source is. Replacing the plug on a dust collector is a no-brainer standard procedure, with no effect at all on the operation of the machine. It would be unreasonable to void the warranty for that. If I had a client asking me, I would say they can definitely do it without affecting the warranty, even if the warranty specifically said otherwise.

Regardless, it doesn't look to me like the manufacturer has a problem with it. The product manual (page 6) says the motor is dual-voltage and the customer can re-wire it and replace the cord if they want.
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Changing the cord end really isn't irrelevant. If these units come from the manufacturer with a molded cord end and the customer modifies the cord end, who knows what happened to the unit. Did they change it to plug into an existing receptacle they thought would work? Did they change it and short out the circuit in the cord end?

Another point, if that cord end is modified/changed, you have violated the listing of that equipment.
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I have never had an issue with a warranty due to a replaced cord on an appliance. I do it quite often.
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I have never had an issue with a warranty due to a replaced cord on an appliance. I do it quite often.
Did those appliances specifically say "Be sure the 240 volt plug is only used in an outlet having the same configuration as the plug illustrated in Fig. C."?
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Changing the cord end really isn't irrelevant. If these units come from the manufacturer with a molded cord end and the customer modifies the cord end, who knows what happened to the unit. Did they change it to plug into an existing receptacle they thought would work? Did they change it and short out the circuit in the cord end?

Another point, if that cord end is modified/changed, you have violated the listing of that equipment.
Replacing a cord end with another listed cord end suitable for the application doesn't violate the equipment listing. In fact, the manual specifically says to replace it if you rewire it for 240V operation. Those kinds of "Who knows what else they might have done to it?" arguments are exactly the kind of arguments that do not fly when it comes to warranties. If there were evidence showing that a broken unit had been damaged by an improper power connection, then the warranty could be voided. But that could happen just as easily with the factory cord end, since anybody can wire up a receptacle wrong. A replaced cord end is not evidence of an improper power connection - unless it's a 240V plug installed with the motor set for 120V operation.

What part of the manufacturer's documentation do you think says the warranty is voided by replacing the plug? The instructions on Page 6 say to replace the cord if you rewire the motor, and that looks to me like factory authorization to change plugs.
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Replacing a cord end with another listed cord end suitable for the application doesn't violate the equipment listing. In fact, the manual specifically says to replace it if you rewire it for 240V operation. Those kinds of "Who knows what else they might have done to it?" arguments are exactly the kind of arguments that do not fly when it comes to warranties. If there were evidence showing that a broken unit had been damaged by an improper power connection, then the warranty could be voided. But that could happen just as easily with the factory cord end, since anybody can wire up a receptacle wrong. A replaced cord end is not evidence of an improper power connection - unless it's a 240V plug installed with the motor set for 120V operation.

What part of the manufacturer's documentation do you think says the warranty is voided by replacing the plug? The instructions on Page 6 say to replace the cord if you rewire the motor, and that looks to me like factory authorization to change plugs.
This is the first mention of rewiring the motor though, the way I read the op was that he is basically changing the plug to something else so he can put into a different type of outlet.
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This is the first mention of rewiring the motor though, the way I read the op was that he is basically changing the plug to something else so he can put into a different type of outlet.
He better rewire it. It comes configured for 120V.
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What part of the manufacturer's documentation do you think says the warranty is voided by replacing the plug? The instructions on Page 6 say to replace the cord if you rewire the motor, and that looks to me like factory authorization to change plugs.
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Be sure the 240 volt plug is only used in an outlet having
the same configuration as the plug illustrated in Fig. C.
No adapter should be used with the 240 volt plug.
Figure C shows a 6-15R...



Therefore, that is the only cord end you can use. I was incorrect about changing the cord end as I missed the part that it came factory wired for 120V.
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Therefore, that is the only cord end you can use. I was incorrect about changing the cord end as I missed the part that it came factory wired for 120V.
That true due I did took a look at diffrent PDF file and it say factory wired for 120 volts.

IMO 1.5 HP motor on 120 volt circuit is pretty close to the limit and it will be much wiser to run this on 240 volts.

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