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Old 03-08-2013, 09:16 AM   #31
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So the 80% is not code then ?
Or is it just acceptted as good practice ?
It is mentioned quite regularly in this forum and others.
It's written on the interwebs? It MUST be true then.

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80% is a code, but does not apply in this case.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:46 AM   #33
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I like to think of it as 100% being code. The 80% is an override in certain installations.
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I like to think of it as 100% being code. The 80% is an override in certain installations.
You know how it starts "you can't load a breaker past 80%, You have to have a pull box every 100', You can't plug freezers and fridges into gfci receptacles, or they will cause tripping. ", and I'm sure we can name many other electrical myths!
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:19 AM   #35
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At some point, you know they are going to do away with the term "Small Appliance Branch Circuit", since it is a hold over from the 50's, when house wife's started to use more small appliances in the Kitchen. If it was not for World War II, a lot of stuff in the home would have never happened (ie microwave ovens, small sized toasters, blenders, etc.).

Today's society, the only "Small Appliance" you see in most kitchens, is a coffee maker & microwave oven. Lucky if there is a toaster oven or toaster in some. We have a friend who uses her oven as a "fire" safe, believe it not. Do not think that she has ever cooked in her Kitchen, but a pot of coffee, and popped some popcorn in the microwave, or toasted a Bagel in the toaster.
And you know this how?
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Just saying electures. You know at some time they will probably do away with the terminology, under the fact that what I stated.
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I was wrong, Speedy Petey and Stickboy were right.

thank you to hurk27 at Mike Holt for this quote,

"While this had come up at a few of my IAEI western sectional conferences I have been to across many states, the CMPs at those meetings have always answered the same that SABC circuits could not supply dishwashers, micro-mates, disposals, or any other built-in appliances, that are mounted and not intended to be moved from place to place, any appliance that requires a receptacle to be located in a space just for that appliance is not a SABC allowed appliance, there are only three exceptions that are specifically allowed, refrigerator, gas fired range, and a wall mounted clock, now with your thinking why would they needed these exceptions? as under your thinking they would not even need the exceptions in the code."
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My wife loves to cook and bake we have three SABC one on each side of the sink and one for the gas range and small plug in microwave. It does not take much to overload stuff when you start plugging in toaster oven crock pot large mixer and a few other things.
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Can I run a 20 amp. Circuit for both the fridge and the dishwasher? Or do I need 2 - 20 amp. Circuits?
So, in summary, the answer is: *they must be separate. Two 15-amp circuits would be fine.

* Local rules, and Manufacturer Requirements override the NEC.

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I read all the posts.
Here in Michigan in the small county up north, they required a single 20amp circuit for the fridge!
I thought that up your way, code was as long as the two coat hangers did not touch, everything was fine. Now you and i both know that is a joke, due to the fact that the U.P. varies on what you may find up there on premise, and what the county states as okay.
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I thought that up your way, code was as long as the two coat hangers did not touch, everything was fine.
Aw man, that's cold!!
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Aw man, that's cold!!
You would be surprised in what you find up in some of those cabins and hunting stands as some think is code compliant. Sorry, but a #16 Zipcord extension cord with the ends cut off and connected to a bank of 6 volt or 12 volt batteries wired to a inverter, to power your microwave or coffee pot & tv to watch the Packer's game is usually what you may see as okay, by some that do this stuff, thinking that it is fine.
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[QUOTE=gregzoll;1132975]I thought that up your way, code was as long as the two coat hangers did not touch, everything was fine. Now you and i both know that is a joke, due to the fact that the U.P. varies on what you may find up there on premise, and what the county states as okay.[/QUOTE.

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You would be surprised in what you find up in some of those cabins and hunting stands as some think is code compliant. Sorry, but a #16 Zipcord extension cord with the ends cut off and connected to a bank of 6 volt or 12 volt batteries wired to a inverter, to power your microwave or coffee pot & tv to watch the Packer's game is usually what you may see as okay, by some that do this stuff, thinking that it is fine.
Uh no we run the zipcord thru a garden hose and that makes it code!
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You would be surprised in what you find up in some of those cabins and hunting stands as some think is code compliant. Sorry, but a #16 Zipcord extension cord with the ends cut off and connected to a bank of 6 volt or 12 volt batteries wired to a inverter, to power your microwave or coffee pot & tv to watch the Packer's game is usually what you may see as okay, by some that do this stuff, thinking that it is fine.
Wrong state, it would be the Lions game!

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