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Old 07-08-2012, 09:45 AM   #16
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I seriously beg to differ. If you took down a fixture or 2 and a few receptacles in my parents house?? You would seriously take apart every connection you found, restrip, repigtail, and then wonder to yourself how the house hadn't burned to the ground yet.. I could take some photos in the attic that would put your jaw to the ground. If I put my name on something I always check the previous installers work.
Then you turn off power, remake the splices one at a time instead of taking all the wires apart without labeling or taking a picture (how easy is taking a picture nowadays?) and not remembering which wire went where.
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After looking at the photo for more than just the wires, the metal box isn't grounded.
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Sorry then. It just looked like to me that the black wire at the top right looked like copper clad to me. I'm by no means an electrician or an apprentice for that matter. If I change a fixture, no matter where I'm at I check connections and other peoples work.
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Why is it that everyone feels the need to take apart splices when replacing a fixture? just remove the old fixture and reinstall the new fixture the same exact way.... sorry had to vent that.
The op stated that he replaced the box as well. A photo would have helped but he had a fairly good reason to unmake all the splices this time...
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The op stated that he replaced the box as well. A photo would have helped but he had a fairly good reason to unmake all the splices this time...
Good catch. Poster did mention he replaced box. Still no reason not to note how & where wires were attached.
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The op stated that he replaced the box as well. A photo would have helped but he had a fairly good reason to unmake all the splices this time...
He did mention that, and I almost went back and edited my original comment, but still felt it should be duly noted anyway.

And now I'm curious why the box needed to be changed out. It looks original to me.

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Thanks to k buz for the explanation and hammerlane for the pic. You guys were bang on correct. It's fixed and works great. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out in a bind as I would not have been able to get an electrician to look at this on a sunday and we need the light to work.

When I started the post I thought I would spare you people the fluff and minor details. But as it appears some are shaking your heads, so I will explain for you.

Here is the deal. Doing a reno on two bedrooms. This is room #2, and room #1 is done. This room #2 had a very wide ceiling light which I had to lower so I could fix and repaint the ceiling. The light is being replaced by a ceiling fan which we don't have yet. We went to the fan store yesterday to decide and buy one of two ceiling fans we were considering. Turned out the fan we decided on was out of stock and being it's a weekend the warehouse is closed. It could take 1-3 weeks to come in, we don't know at this point.

So in the meantime I must hook a light back up. I don't want to re-install the wide light which might damage the ceiling I just fixed and painted so I decided I will put the old simple/single light from the other room which is done. This is just temporary until the fan comes in. While I am working on this, I also decided that because I have the time this weekend I will also remove the old box which could not support a ceiling fan, and install a new ceiling fan brace kit and box. So while replacing the boxes I had to disconnect the wires as they came in through different holes in the old box. Then re-route them into the new box.

I was in the middle of this when I had unexpected out of town company drop in. While I am literally on the ladder I could tell right away that their 3 boys headed straight downstairs (like they always do) to my diecast car and airplane collection I have. Note these are high end die casts and not toys. Anyway I have not even said hello to anybody yet so I had to jump off the ladder and bolt downstairs and make sure the monkeys are not playing Smash'em up Derby with my collection. By the time I show them whats new and meet and greet with the others etc it was an hour later that I got back to the wiring.

In my effort to quickly label the wires when the company showed up I must have got a couple mixed up and I realized that when I came back and it just didn't look right. But by this time I could not be 100% certain. So I thought better to play it safe, and run it by you guys before I experiment. It coud take several days before and electrician could come over to look at it.

So the new (small old light from the other bedroom) is in just for the time being until the fan arrives. Then when it comes in, it will be a quicker and easier install for me as the new ceiling fan support and box are now installed. So there you have it, that is how STUFF happens. Thanks again guys.

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I bet if the white wire used in the switch loop had been taped black you would of recalled how it went together.

So question is did you mark the white wire for the switch loop black to make it easy for the next guy in 20 years who wants to replace the fan??
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I bet if the white wire used in the switch loop had been taped black you would of recalled how it went together.

So question is did you mark the white wire for the switch loop black to make it easy for the next guy in 20 years who wants to replace the fan??

Yep, I bet you're right, and I did tape it black. Learn something new everyday!
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Just as a note...you can only use the white wire to bring power TO the switch. You cannot(under code) use the white wire to "TAKE" power back to the device(light, outlet, fan...etc)
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Thank you for filling in the details!
Some times the narrative details help identify the problem by providing information that may not have seemed relevant.

The rest of the time it just makes the process more like a conversation between acquaintances than a chore of repeating the same information to different people all the time.

Having a more social human interaction must make this more fun for the people providing the help! After all most do this for fun to help people. When it become a chore, they stop.

Congrats on getting it working and thanks again for filling in the blanks!
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Thank you for filling in the details!
Some times the narrative details help identify the problem by providing information that may not have seemed relevant.

The rest of the time it just makes the process more like a conversation between acquaintances than a chore of repeating the same information to different people all the time.

Having a more social human interaction must make this more fun for the people providing the help! After all most do this for fun to help people. When it become a chore, they stop.

Congrats on getting it working and thanks again for filling in the blanks!
I'm happy to do so. I guess I was looking at it more like people may take time out of their day to help me, so don't take up too much of their time. But you made some very good points that I totally agree with now that you mentioned it.

BTW the warehouse had the ceiling fan in stock so it should be in today or tomorrow. I hope the ceiling fan wiring hooks up just like the light (I think it should) and it will be an easy install as the hard work is done. With this heat I could really use a good fan blowing down on me while I install the new cork floor.
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Fan can be hooked up several ways.
I did mine with light switch and speed control on the wall so kidlings wouldn't rip the pull cabins out of them!
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Well the fan salesman was honest with me, it was a straight forward install and the fan kit was complete with everything needed to configure and function the fan the way I wanted. There was lots of wires due to the remote control but it was all straight forward. It's nice that I was able to wire it all up myself and there was no need to run any extra wires for a seperate wall switch.

I am super impressed with this fan for many reasons. It came as a complete kit with remote control and lighting options. The remote control is fully functional and controls both top and bottom lighting as well as the fan obviously. There is hidden lights on the top which give off a nice soft glow to the room, and there is also the light I have installed on the bottom too. The remote control also comes with a nice wall bezel that that it sits in. I mounted that beside the wall light switch, and you can easilly remove the remote, to control everthing from bed. Best of all the motor is super quiet, in fact I can't even hear it on high speed. This too has no strings/chains etc for a sleek modern look.
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Is that a 60" wingspan on that fan or Bigger?
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