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Old 04-20-2009, 03:12 PM   #91
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$4-5 gas didn't force us into smaller cars
There is no way a politican can add $2 a gallon tax
It would be political suicide right now

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Old 04-20-2009, 03:18 PM   #92
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Why should someone who makes more pay more?

I think the no tax level should be raised
But what makes it more relevant for someone who makes more $$ to pay more taxes?
This is where creative tax shelters & loopholes come in
And as a result many people who make more $$ pay less in taxes
Do you honestly believe someone making $250k should pay the exact same tax as someone making $20K? Tax shelters and loopholes need to be eliminated to ensure everyone is paying their fair share.
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:27 PM   #93
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With the bailouts of Chrysler and GM, the government will mandate more fuel efficient, smaller cars, that have a lower profit margin. With gasoline expected to be only 2.50 per gallon, Americans will purchase the full sized models. Now we have Chrysler and GM and their assets tied up in inventory on cars that do not sell.

When this time comes, either another bailout or the government will tax gasoline where it is no longer as affordable and force us to buy the small cars.

mjbxx, In order to receive a stimulus check, you needed to have at least $3,000 in qualifying income. Wages, self-employment, Social Security benefits, Railroad Retirement benefits, and veterans' disability compensation, pension or survivors' benefits received from the Department of Veterans Affairs in 2007. Supplemental Security Income (SSI) did not qualify toward the 3000. You did not have to work.
Fair enough in regard to the stimulous check. Some make it sound as if every person in the U.S. received a check. People who did not meet those qualifications and non working dead beats did not receive a stimulous check.
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Make more then you should pay more. Are you saying someone who makes $250k should pay the same amount in tax as some one making $20k.
It should be the same percentage.

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As far as the Bush stimulous checks, I accepted it as wasteful and not needed.
I was just glad to get some of my own money back. I would rather see it go back to the American people. Why is it such a bad thing when the govt. returns some of our tax money to us, but not much is said about the multi-billions of dollars sent to other countries?

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Those checks did nothing to stimulate the economy or head off the September crash.
If Barney Frank and his ilk would have been honest, we would not be going through this economic crisis in the first place. Fox News didn't have a gun to his back forcing him to lie.

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This thread may be never-ending. I don't think either of us is going to convince the other of anything.
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:50 PM   #95
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You missed my point. The 4-4.50 per gallon did significantly lower the sales of the large cars. This caused an excessive inventory of these larger vehicles. The larger vehicles were not being produced for 2009 in quantity, because of the inventory. This further weakened an already troubled mfgr.

No, they will not raise the tax by 2.00 per, but they will raise it and never lower it.

In the summer of 2008 and gas was 4.25, the NY thruway increased its tolls because of the less volume of vehicles. They still took the same amount of money.
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This thread may be never-ending. I don't think either of us is going to convince the other of anything.
Agree, there will never be an agreement, but we are Americans and can agree to disagree. If we get to socialism....
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Do you honestly believe someone making $250k should pay the exact same tax as someone making $20K? Tax shelters and loopholes need to be eliminated to ensure everyone is paying their fair share.
And WHY is someone making more supposed to pay MORE then their fair share??

Answer the question
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No, they will not raise the tax by 2.00 per, but they will raise it and never lower it.

In the summer of 2008 and gas was 4.25, the NY thruway increased its tolls because of the less volume of vehicles. They still took the same amount of money.
MY Points EXACTLY !!
The government NEVER learns to SPEND less of OUR $$
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And WHY is someone making more supposed to pay MORE then their fair share??

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Who said anything about paying MORE then their fair share?

Answer that question.

Keep watching FOX News and hail Rush Limbaugh as the GOP leader. A fresh round of tea bags for you, so you can throw them at the next Republican & FOX News sponsored Tea Bag Party. Have fun.
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It should be the same percentage.

**Not happening.


I was just glad to get some of my own money back. I would rather see it go back to the American people. Why is it such a bad thing when the govt. returns some of our tax money to us, but not much is said about the multi-billions of dollars sent to other countries?

**Agreed but I was under the impression the stimulous checks came via borrowed money.


If Barney Frank and his ilk would have been honest, we would not be going through this economic crisis in the first place. Fox News didn't have a gun to his back forcing him to lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&NR=1

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**Do you honestly think that I would waste my time watching FOX News and take their word as gospel. Frank may very well be a part of the problem but I don't want to hear it from tabloid journalism.


This thread may be never-ending. I don't think either of us is going to convince the other of anything.
Probably right about the convincing part.
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Keep watching FOX News and hail Rush Limbaugh as the GOP leader. A fresh round of tea bags for you, so you can throw them at the next Republican & FOX News sponsored Tea Bag Party. Have fun.
Hmmm....does it bother you that someone voices an opinion other than what Keith Obermann, Chris Matthews, and countless other liberals spew? Those people were just about wetting themselves over their candidate. I've never seen such bias as there was before the election and now.

It's a shame too. It's like watching a bunch of sheep follow the leader right over the cliff. They just don't appear to be thinking for themselves.
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You are referring to the Bush stimulous checks I presume. My understanding was that in order to receive one, a person had to be working. Obama is targeting anyone making above $250k per year. And even then the rate goes back to the Clinton era tax rate. It is high time that the rich start paying their fair share of taxes and stop complaining. I argue that the Bush tax cuts were the opening salvo in creating class struggles in this country. The tax cuts were tailored for the rich.
The obama stimulus is the same thing. bush's "stimulus" (of which we got nada being self employed) gave money to people who did not PAY income tax. in other words, if you were below the level of having to pay income tax, you still got a "refund". i call that welfare. The "rich" already pay their share and more. the people making the most already pay the most-- and BTW, i'm not one of those. just somewhere in the middle. no matter how you slice it, everyone should pay something. making a cutoff of $250,000 is wrong,wrong wrong. If you make money, you should pay something. The class struggles are being made a reality by the mainstream media and linberals.
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Who said anything about paying MORE then their fair share?

Answer that question.
Duh - you did

The more you make the higher the total % of your earnings goes towards taxes. Did you REALLY not know this???? Did you not graduate high school yet & have not paid taxes?? Are yoiu unaware of the tax rates??
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Duh - you did

The more you make the higher the total % of your earnings goes towards taxes. Did you REALLY not know this???? Did you not graduate high school yet & have not paid taxes?? Are yoiu unaware of the tax rates??
Duh right back at you!!!

Understood. You are twisting my words just like FOX News would do. That's the problem with Republicans. Come up with some ridiculous term for something and hope it sticks. And distort anothers view and hope all will buy it. Go ahead and get your daily dose of the Republican spin machine on FOX News. Beck, O'reilly, Hannity, and Van Susteren are beckoning. Enjoy the show.

TEA BAGS FOR YOU!!

You can drink em or throw em, I don't much care. Be sure to bring them to a Republican Tea Bag party near you. Wherever the party is, you can be sure that FOX News and all their cronies will be there to celebrate with you. Do say high to dear leader Limbaugh.
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Hmmm....does it bother you that someone voices an opinion other than what Keith Obermann, Chris Matthews, and countless other liberals spew? Those people were just about wetting themselves over their candidate. I've never seen such bias as there was before the election and now.

It's a shame too. It's like watching a bunch of sheep follow the leader right over the cliff. They just don't appear to be thinking for themselves.
And there was no bias on the beloved FOX News channel. Give me a break. You really believe that FOX is fair and balanced? Unbelievable!!! FOX is just a propoganda machine gor the GOP and tabloid journalism at its best.

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