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Old 08-29-2014, 08:29 AM   #16
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In that case, good point. To be honest when I first read it I had visions of me pouring a slab and with anchor points for a chain or cage enclousur. I wish cats could bark.

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Old 08-31-2014, 03:18 PM   #17
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As a licensed universal tech and landlord with aging traditional ducted systems to take care of I would like to share my final unbiased conclusion. My only concern being the long and short term overall effectiveness and bottom line cost between the choice investment in either flexible mini-ductless systems OR traditional inflexible heavy split and packaged ducted systems with respect to residential and small business applications. Having researched both type systems in countless install reviews, short and long term praises and complaints, initial and long term cost investment per ton, and down time based on flexibility, parts and labor cost. My unbiased conclusion is that without a doubt flexible ductless mini-split AC systems with respect toward toward cooling is by far and away the most economical choice especially where DIY self install is concerned. And while I can understand the expressed concerns real or imagined by those that have a stake in the US residential HVAC industry, I really don't think there will be any impact on technicians and installers. In fact I believe there will be much more opportunity for technicians and installers to independently contract the installation, upkeep, and maintenance of mini-split ductless systems because of their very nature of their mini size, flexibility, ease of man power install, and lack for need of a huge on-site parts inventory. Because of their Mini-size major components if not repairable quickly on site can now be switched for shop repair under ideal work conditions. Obviously some service companies will see the writing on the wall and will switch the way they do business utilizing the swap and service bay concepts where allot of miniaturized technology has taken us. While others will take a wait and see approach lobbying hard to stop this tide (title-wave) of direction....
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Old 08-31-2014, 05:29 PM   #18
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Shop repair is too expensive so it will never happen. At over $100/hr it is impractical and un-economical on a unit that costs $600. Just like TV repair. The landfills will be full of TVs and minisplits. I guess they can be recycled for the plastic and copper but when there is enough they will put a surcharge on the purchase price for disposal like car tires and oil and car batteries.

To swap out or replace these units like changing your underwear is not economically feasible. The Freon needs to be legally recovered into a recovery cylinder and is a expensive time consuming process.

For anybody other than a DIYer who works for nothing the whole concept is un-economical. Reviews on the internet are flawed as only unhappy people fill out reviews. Happy people cannot be bothered or have better things to do. Unhappy people love to go on the net and complain so the review sample is biased.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:10 PM   #19
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Well remember and mark my words, they said the same thing about all the other popular Japanese born products that took this country by storm, all but completely displacing the domestic product brands. I dont even have to name them there are so many examples in ever Americans garage, front room, kitchen and personal clothing. The only question is will the domestic brands respond with change or indifference. I mean as strong and as proud as we imagine those american AC brands to be in those attics thronrooms and what they represent, is not going to change the cold hard fact that in just a few more years starting with my own attic, those metal icons will beome a musium pieces to a home industry era gone by. When my grandchildren ask me, grandad what is that giant thing in the attic? I will tell them its just an old proud monument to the past.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:36 PM   #20
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Look up Haier air conditioners. They have been out for a while. But still aren't catching on.
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Old 08-31-2014, 11:02 PM   #21
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A mini-split for every room and a bone in every bowl of soup.

Uh Huh.

The Japanese and Asians have been here since the 50's. Who do you think invented the transistor radio. The fact that they can make a inverter compressor is no new news. Lennox and all the big guys are using them in split systems. We had VFD Variable frequency drives for large institutional /Commercial high horsepower motors 20 yrs ago. The concept of variable frequency is just starting to trickle down to the residential market. DC voltage does not have the sine wave and losses of AC and with automation the speed is perfectly proportional to 1-100 which works with computers and digital inputs ( 0 and 1 ).

The technology market is German, British, American and other countries not just Asian. Phillips electronics is British and they pioneered audiophile stereo systems before anyone else including the Japanese. ( now they make shavers and appliances but originally they were electronics for stereos ).

Lots of equipment is assembled in Mexico or whatever the cheapest country of the day is for these huge companies. Has nothing to do with America just labor rates. Only reason mini splits were built in the first place is because in Europe and Asia they do not have ducted heating and AC like we do. 99% is hot water or steam. You then see those units unceremoniously sticking out the sides of bldgs. so they can get some basic AC in one room. Not a huge quantum leap in HVAC technology.
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:01 AM   #22
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More like.." I ductless DIY kit for every home, will save a years worth of mortgage payments"

" Give me ductless AC, Or give debt"

"A mini-split to DIY, make's a man healthy, wealthy, and wise"

"To DIY or cry, that is the question!"

"Forgive me tech, I cannot tell a lie, I installed the ductless system"

"Old McDonald needed a DIY AC, E-I-E-O, with a mini-split here and condenser there, here a head there a head, everywhere ductless..

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