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Old 03-22-2009, 07:47 PM   #31
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I've been a member on the site in question since 2005. Haven't posted for a while, but did yesterday wanting to understand how a no-heat problem will be diagnosed - and steps followed, how long to figure out its the pressure switch etc. Then I got the "you violated the posting rules by being too technical" Suggesting that it could be a DIY and therefore could threaten the HVAC jobs.
I saw that thread.

You asked about what steps would be taken(and they aren't the steps that I would use).

Which do fall under the no DIY rules over there.( The step by step rules)

Keep in mind, that the NO DIY rule is plainly stated in the forum rules.



PS: Your analogy would be correct. Except for one thing.

All HVACers will give their auto repair shop a break or instructions.
We like quick service on our trucks and cars.

Now the landscaper, thats another story.

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Old 03-22-2009, 07:54 PM   #32
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Landscaper. You are talking to a quasi farm boy from the Ukraine here. Grew up on a acreage. If it is one thing I know it is the back end of a spade and how to pull weeds. Do my own landscaping as dirt and me are like twins.
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Old 03-22-2009, 07:57 PM   #33
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Dude you need a reality check, chill out remember common sense. Wikiwpedi is whack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wiki may be but DSM-IV isn't. Your local library has a reference copy of this book.

If you are comfortable, in the long term, with whatever it is that you are, and
if you think your adaptation to reality has served you well over the years, and
if you really believe in DIY,
you might also want to look up "ego-syntonic".

But if you want to change, here we are.

BTW, at 61 the mortality tables
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html
give you about 20 more years.

Time's a'wastin'!

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Old 03-22-2009, 07:58 PM   #34
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Landscaper. You are talking to a quasi farm boy from the Ukraine here. Grew up on a acreage. If it is one thing I know it is the back end of a spade and how to pull weeds. Do my own landscaping as dirt and me are like twins.
Don't they have Mexicans in Canada?
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:01 PM   #35
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I was surrounded by farms.

Picked peas, strawberries, pulled potatoes, picked corn.
Got kicked by the dang mules.

Catch and slaughtered chickens.

Those were great days.

Well, could have done with out the mule sending me 30 foot.

Since I was just a kid, I made a whopping 6 bucks a week, and lots of veggies to take home for us.

But no free chickens though.
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I saw that thread.

You asked about what steps would be taken(and they aren't the steps that I would use).

Which do fall under the no DIY rules over there.( The step by step rules)

Keep in mind, that the NO DIY rule is plainly stated in the forum rules.



PS: Your analogy would be correct. Except for one thing.

All HVACers will give their auto repair shop a break or instructions.
We like quick service on our trucks and cars.

Now the landscaper, thats another story.
My dang mechanic went outta business. But he never used the same HVAC guy twice. So I didn't feel obligated to answer his HVAC question.

Now the guy who own the the strip club..he's a keeper
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Hopefully everyone will lighten up. I did get a good laugh from Clover about being a newbie and having being insulted by THE journeymen at the parts counter. Ask a simple question and they look at you like "isn't that the first thing they taught you at trade school". Paid my dues too and have to try be sensitive to my apprentices.

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Sometimes we run across some mouthy countermen don't we????? Like Daily. It's hard to think back all them years WOW!!!! And the wise guy journeyman.
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I have been in the windy city for a few days and just got back to the computer to find this mess. Wow!

First off, I have been mostly lurking around here for the last 6 months or so and consider myself a newbie here. I consider this to be one of the more civilized forums online. If you want a good spanking, go over to alt.havc

Even though I consider myself a newbie here, I do consider myself a pro in the industry. But don't be to quick to pass judgment on what makes up an HVAC Pro. I do have a 608 universal cert. but do not actually work directly on equipment. I do not have, or ever will have the knowledge that Been, Clover, Yuri and other have. I hail from the wholesale side of the industry. if you want to talk about the thickness of skin, I have had to put up with hundreds of contractors over the last decade and have the bleeding ulcer to prove it

I do enjoy being of help in my limited capacity when I can. I do not profess to or even try to answer most questions related to repair. i am not qualified. I try to chime in within my wheelhouse of knowledge, and want to be an addition when appropriate.

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My dang mechanic went outta business. But he never used the same HVAC guy twice. So I didn't feel obligated to answer his HVAC question.

Now the guy who own the the strip club..he's a keeper
You the man hvaclover.
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Most of my wise guy countermen are collecting a pension and I know more than the new ones. The new generation of young techs has a "sense of entitlement" which I don't get. I guess I intimidate the crap out of them. They don't seem to realize the smarter and quicker they get to be able to run all jobs the more $$ they make. Pro's come in all shapes and sizes: are we talking Plumber butt crack jokes now?

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Thanks for your honesty and candor, MR. Direct
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Hvaclover: Yup, this is a great site. HVAC-TALK tic me, so I found this one.

I started reading HVAC-TALK way back when it first started - there really was no other place. I didn't start posting until 2005.

I got a ruud, I mean a rude awaking yesterday on how it had evolved.

Internet = knowledge, why get protective? Heck, I studied a tire forum for months before I bought new tires.

They (HT) should just go all PRO and encrypt it - have it private.

I don't feel welcome there, so I don't plan to even go back as just a reader.
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But, not to say I wont miss the Hall of Shame and Fame.

There was one guy that just did perfect installs one after another - again I'm talking earlier years, I think he has been gone for a number of years.

I have two full systems in my house that need to go sooner or later (I keep making it later). One point I was going to see if I could fly him to my place to do two installs - I thought it would be worth it, seeing what that pro could do.
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Hvaclover: Yup, this is a great site. HVAC-TALK tic me, so I found this one.

I started reading HVAC-TALK way back when it first started - there really was no other place. I didn't start posting until 2005.

I got a ruud, I mean a rude awaking yesterday on how it had evolved.

Internet = knowledge, why get protective? Heck, I studied a tire forum for months before I bought new tires.

They (HT) should just go all PRO and encrypt it - have it private.

I don't feel welcome there, so I don't plan to even go back as just a reader.
Yeah, I can empathize. If you slip and ask a DIY question they are on you like stink on ****. (sorry).

I don't think I'll lose my lively hood answering questions here, but if someone pays me a service call to diagnose a problem, I won't give them tthe info if they called me out just to pump me for info.. In that scenario I believe a customer can be accused as ripping off a hvac owner.

Things will be better for you here i am sure.
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But, not to say I wont miss the Hall of Shame and Fame.

There was one guy that just did perfect installs one after another - again I'm talking earlier years, I think he has been gone for a number of years.

I have two full systems in my house that need to go sooner or later (I keep making it later). One point I was going to see if I could fly him to my place to do two installs - I thought it would be worth it, seeing what that pro could do.
LOL....Now that i would like to see!

Getting an install to look pleasing to the eye can sometimes be harder than one would think.

I 've done replacement jobs that looked shiny and new only to have the existing CA and HA supply trunks detract from the overall shin of the job.

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