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Old 03-22-2009, 08:06 PM   #16
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Sultini. You can take this or leave it. It is quite unrealistic to expect EVERYONE to be polite, civil, touchy feely on the net. Especially when you should know how rough tradesmen treat each other. We all paid our dues, tolerated the crap from the journeyman, survived and rolled with the flow. As you were a NEW poster and told Been `you could not CARE about what he did`` I believe that is what got the whole mess started. If we are to enjoy posting we have to tolerate a bit of nonsense from others because unlike a face to face conversation it is impossible to know the tone of the conversation and whether the person was joking. There is NO point in getting pissed off and starting flaming as no one wins and no one gives up. The senior posters know each other and don`t get offended or take offense. I think you accidentally got out of line and Been is a decent guy. Live and let live and get a thick skin.
I am sure everyone wants to get along, just lighten up guys.

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Old 03-22-2009, 08:07 PM   #17
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Well, he's an an old cote now.

RSES been around since 1933 or so.
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:12 PM   #18
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Yeah. I 've been with 'em since 75.

Sol Holzin was founder of the Delaware chapter, not the Society it self.

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Hopefully everyone will lighten up. I did get a good laugh from Clover about being a newbie and having being insulted by THE journeymen at the parts counter. Ask a simple question and they look at you like "isn't that the first thing they taught you at trade school". Paid my dues too and have to try be sensitive to my apprentices.

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Thank you guys for explaining been to me and I accept what you are saying. However you guys have to realize I am from the same state as been and we see each other as different where I am from he's a hardheaded coal cracker who don't listen or pay attention to any one and you can see it in his writings.
However being outnumbered by opion and pressure I guess I will have to suck up like the rest of you and kissi.
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Yeah. I 've been with 'em since 75.

Sol Holzin was founder of the Delaware chapter, not the Society it self.

http://rsesdelval.com/news.pdf
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Thats because in philly, you guys never learned where coal comes from.

It don't come from Lancaster.

Strange thing is. Every county says the same thing about philly(I've been in a few counties, and a couple states from time to time).

Sometimes. we say its because you guys live too close to NJ.
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I think most tradesmen are edgy due to what we do and I certainly am not going to start getting personal or offended by anyone or flaming etc. What's the point? My customers are nasty enough. It gets even worse when guys start talking Union. Lets all forgive and forget and lighten up.

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I am from the same state as been and we see each other as different where I am from he's a hardheaded coal cracker who don't listen or pay attention to any one and you can see it in his writings.
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For Christ sake!

Been is the the most knowledgeable HVACers I have the privilege of associating with.

Your statement is so bigoted I can't believe it!
It's like me saying all my minority colleagues are are lazy and shiftless.
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It gets even worse when guys start talking Union.

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You had to bring that up.

Are you staying up on that employee free choice act.

If that passes. Lots of troubles ahead.
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Up until yesterday, I was just a homeowner who likes to understand how something works that I OWN!!!!! Not only does it help me to understand MY property, but also helps the tech when I can give them clue on what I think it is. Think about it, a homeowner familar with his system thinking/understanding the problem versus a tech showing up with about a hand full of minutes to get it fixed and then run off to the next problem. I do this with my cars as well, auto techs are more than happy when I point to what i think it is and they can confirm it and get the job done.

I've been a member on the site in question since 2005. Haven't posted for a while, but did yesterday wanting to understand how a no-heat problem will be diagnosed - and steps followed, how long to figure out its the pressure switch etc. Then I got the "you violated the posting rules by being too technical" Suggesting that it could be a DIY and therefore could threaten the HVAC jobs. Well, did nothing for me but get me pumped to start duing DIY - protect our jobs!!!! what a bunch of ....... As other jobs leave this country in thousands, HVAC pros are worried about their customers knowing too much - I can just picture this now in DILBERT.

How about this for a comic strip.

Dan: An auto mechanic
Bill: HVAC pro

Bill: Dan, I've got a check light problem, can you help me? Dan: Sure, Here take this meter and plug it in to your port. For your car, you'll probably get a code of XYZ. Here is the TSB on it, its easy to fix yourself. Get the part at the dealer, but buy the sealent at AutoPartMNP - much cheaper.

Few days later:

Dan: Bill, my furance will not start. I've got three flashes on a red light can you help me.
Bill: Sorry Dan, you've violated our forum rules. We need to protect our jobs.

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I think most tradesmen are edgy due to what we do and I certainly am not going to start getting personal or offended by anyone or flaming etc. What's the point? My customers are nasty enough. It gets even worse when guys start talking Union. Lets all forgive and forget and lighten up.

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Ok...lets pick on the Newfies then...
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Been, not sure what you mean, I'm a Canuck. Been on both sides of the union fence. Dad was a steward and I have been in both types of shops. Newfies, ah Newfoundlanders. Actually Canada is so multicultural we don't know who is a minority and to insult anymore LOL. My neighborhood is like the UN and we get along great.
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Up until yesterday, I was just a homeowner who likes to understand how something works that I OWN!!!!! Not only does it help me to understand MY property, but also helps the tech when I can give them clue on what I think it is. Think about it, a homeowner familar with his system thinking/understanding the problem versus a tech showing up with about a hand full of minutes to get it fixed and then run off to the next problem. I do this with my cars as well, auto techs are more than happy when I point to what i think it is and they can confirm it and get the job done.

I've been a member on the site in question since 2005. Haven't posted for a while, but did yesterday wanting to understand how a no-heat problem will be diagnosed - and steps followed, how long to figure out its the pressure switch etc. Then I got the "you violated the posting rules by being too technical" Suggesting that it could be a DIY and therefore could threaten the HVAC jobs. Well, did nothing for me but get me pumped to start duing DIY - protect our jobs!!!! what a bunch of ....... As other jobs leave this country in thousands, HVAC pros are worried about their customers knowing too much - I can just picture this now in DILBERT.

How about this for a comic strip.

Dan: An auto mechanic
Bill: HVAC pro

Bill: Dan, I've got a check light problem, can you help me? Dan: Sure, Here take this meter and plug it in to your port. For your car, you'll probably get a code of XYZ. Here is the TSB on it, its easy to fix yourself. Get the part at the dealer, but buy the sealent at AutoPartMNP - much cheaper.

Few days later:

Dan: Bill, my furance will not start. I've got three flashes on a red light can you help me.
Bill: Sorry Dan, you've violated our forum rules. We need to project our jobs.
That's not the rules here.

I'm not getting your meaning. Care to expand?

BTW. I like educated customers. They understand the value of accurate customer input.
Some times one symptom can make the diff between getting an intermittent problem or not.
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Been, not sure what you mean, I'm a Canuck. Been on both sides of the union fence. Dad was a steward and I have been in both types of shops. Newfies, ah Newfoundlanders. Actually Canada is so multicultural we don't know who is a minority and to insult anymore LOL. My neighborhood is like the UN and we get along great.



OH MY GOD! WAYNE AND SCHUSTER WOULD TURN OVER IN THEIR GRAVES!

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