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Old 03-19-2009, 10:48 AM   #31
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I am not sarcastic, I didn't ask for your certs, your right nobody wants to hear it, who cares what you think about beenthere and his debating skills, who cares what engineers think about him, how do you know what challange I pose to him, I have no chip on my shoulder, if the pros acted like pros I would like to know them, we have some things in common. I don't find it funny to pick on people asking questions and getting wise guy answers from you and your cronies.[/quote

your 100% right Sultini the 'cronies" like to ridicule people with questions this is not a very friendly area. And yes many are constantly reminding us about all thier experience and certifications...they act like high school shop kids
Then ask the question LIKE a pro instead of some guy who just appears to be trying to get a little side work and possesses minimal to no hvac skills.


I am not going to be your hvac instructor and nobody else is going to give you a free education here.

So man-up and talk like a pro or find a good vo tech school.

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Old 03-19-2009, 11:06 AM   #32
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Questions that are more for contractor/trade individuals.

Should be asked on the Contractors Site.
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Questions that are more for contractor/trade individuals.

Should be asked on the Contractors Site.
well then where are the questions for diyers answered? certainly not here for the most part. An observation made is that most questions could be answered by the "high and mighty' but thats to easy. any of the 'pro's could answer it. so what takes place here is, who out the elite bunch can NOT answer the question in the most sarcastic way
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Perhaps, you should check more threads before you say DIY questions are not answered.

Please read This Thread as just one example, and then tell me if DIY questions aren't answered.

PS: The OP of this thread is NOT asking a DIY question.

He asked for a tool list to do PMs on all types of A/C equipment.
Does your house contain all types of A/C equipment?

There are many other threads that are answered quickly for various repairs.
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And my apprentices who make $10 an hour less than me go buy the most expensive Fluke meters figuring that will help them. My MA line stuff (survives -40) does the same job. Its not the tool but the user who makes the difference.
Yuri: Based on your posts that I've read for a few years, you should be making more than +$10 above the newbies.

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Old 03-19-2009, 02:10 PM   #36
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well then where are the questions for diyers answered? certainly not here for the most part. An observation made is that most questions could be answered by the "high and mighty' but thats to easy. any of the 'pro's could answer it. so what takes place here is, who out the elite bunch can NOT answer the question in the most sarcastic way
have a nice day
You will also notice with amount of pros here there were'nt very few respondents to the OP question.

WHY?

Cause an hvac guy would not ask that question. He would already know.

Elite we are but elitist we're not.
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Old 03-19-2009, 02:46 PM   #37
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If a DIYer, ask what tools he'll need for something.

Thats one thing, after all, its a DIY site.

But, when someone post asking what tools they'll need to do PM's this summer.
He's not a DIYer anymore.
He's looking to make money by working on other people's equipment.
And, he should already know what tools he'll need.
Because he should already have done hundreds of PM's on A/C equipment.
Oh we forget what's it's like to be young and trying to learn all we can from the oldtimers.
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You sir are the most 'elitist' of all ...and it would seems the most insecure ...again this is a diy forum ppl asking questions are not always 'pro's I guess you never learned "there's no such thing as a stupid question" only stupid answers
i have learned that some questions are are so badly formed that after spending time with them, they turn out to be impostors, trolls just looking for a kick from the shock value they think their posts make.
You just want to argue, and thus do i draw you out
Congratulations. You pass the Troll test.


Now it's shunning time.
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Oh we forget what's it's like to be young and trying to learn all we can from the oldtimers.
It was diff when we were coming up. As rookies we usually got a lot of info from veterans at the wholesale counter.

Or we would go to an association meeting.

And i do remember the no-nonsense, non PG rated answers you'd get if the question was basic self explanatory, or something you learned the first day of refrig school.

We are here to help DIYs with repair problems, not train them to be techs.

A guy asks what tools he needs isn't a tech( Or a piss poor one). And I would be irresponsible
and unethical if I gave out information to somebody and they were injured or maimed because they didn't have the right skills to know what parts of the system are electrically hot.

Like Beenthere said, the guy could ask that question in the contractor talk forum if he is a true hvacer. It would become apparant very quickly if the gent was really a tech or not.
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Oh we forget what's it's like to be young and trying to learn all we can from the oldtimers.
Not in the least bit.

If he was going to be working with an old timer, and learning from him.
Then he would be finding out from that old timer what tools he was expected to have.

You can post your PM tools list for the OP to see and get.

No one is stopping you.
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Benn I don't understand what these guys don't get.

When I ventured into Heating from refrigeration I had a game plan before i even lite my first pilot light. I took a refresher at college to get up to speed on the newest 80 an 90% systems. I took business courses. I read industry publications.

When I started selling PMs I knew what I would need before I ever ventured into the AC end of this business.

Does no one have any initiative to do a little research any more?
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:33 PM   #42
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Few people know what it takes to jump from a heat pump, to a gas furnace, to an A/C, and then to a 2 stage A/C set up for humidity control, back to a standard A/C.

Until they have done it.

Some must learn the hard way.
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Like I said you guys( at least two that I know of) all forget nasty...............................
Nope. I didn't forget anything.

And I haven't resorted to cursing either.

You still didn't post the tool list for the OP either.

If you think he should be given a list so bad. post yours.
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Yuri: Based on your posts that I've read for a few years, you should be making more than +$10 above the newbies.

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I don't want to brag but it is actually $13 or more and double what the PM guys make. If I find some motivated ones I train them and then they can make some serious $$. Hard to find motivated ones.
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Vague posts that don't make sense: My philosophy is if the question is so badly worded I won't give people info that they can use to hurt themselves or anybody else or start doing scamming/hack jobs etc.

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