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Old 04-05-2011, 10:50 PM   #31
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there is a question that has been mentioned but there was no reply;

is there a warranty on the install?

Before you go and say no, I will tell you there is regardless what the guy said. You need to call the installer and have him fix his installation that you already paid for. The fact it isn't working and you really have no idea as to why speaks volumes. Do you have any idea what the status of the charge is currently? You seem to think charging the system is your problem yet you have done no investigation to determine the problem.

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. Its illegal to sell compressors filled with freon online unless you have a cert.
actually, with 410, no it isn't. anybody can legally go down and purchase 410. It is not controlled like 22, 12 and a few others. There are rules that apply to it but it does not require a cert to purchase it.

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Is section 608 technician certification required in order to purchase R-410A?
HFC refrigerant substitutes that do not contain an ozone-depleting substance (such as R-410A or R-134a) are not covered under the refrigerant sales restriction. Therefore, section 608 technician certification is not required in order to purchase HFC refrigerant substitutes that do not contain an ozone-depleting substance. It remains illegal to knowingly vent HFC substitutes during the maintenance, service, repair, or disposal of appliances.
and then, on top of that:

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What does the sales restriction cover?

This sales restriction covers all CFC and HCFC refrigerants contained in bulk containers (such as cylinders, cans or drums). Refrigerant blends containing HCFCs (such as FRIGC FR-12, Free Zone, Hot Shot® or R-414B, GHG-X4 or R-414A, Freeze 12) are also covered under this sales restriction.

This sales restriction does not cover refrigeration and air-conditioning equipment or components containing an ozone-depleting refrigerant (such as components of residential split systems containing HCFC-22, also called R-22). Nor does the restriction cover the retail sale of air-conditioning and refrigeration appliances containing CFC or HCFC refrigerants (such as window air conditioners).
so, per the EPA, you could even purchase a mini-split charged with R22 without a cert.

then, on top of that, you state the unit is:

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This is a 2 zone LG mini split heat pump with inverter technology by the way
.yet you couldn't test it because:

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I couldn't test it at the time because it was 25 degrees outside.
You do realize what a heat pump is for, right?

and how did the guy supposedly dump 25 or 30 pounds of refrigerant into the system? and especially without it running?

this entire situation makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. It sounds simply like you are trying to get an online training session in how to be an HVAC tech.

and who in their right mind would pay $1100 for an install and simply write it off and go and spend another $1100 on equipment to fix that $1100 screw up?

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Yes there is a warranty. If any parts go bad, I will call him and do the warranty work. Since I researched the product, I don't see a problem happening so the warranty is irrelevant. I really don't want the crook anywhere near my system.
well, it doesn't work so call him and get it fixed... for free.




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I do know why it doesn't work. Did you not read my post? The charge wasn't weighed in. All that blabering for nothing. It was right there in front of you. I have done my homework.
as I said, you have done no investigation as to why it doesn't work. Just because he didn't weigh in the refrigerant does not mean that is the reason. In fact, that proves exactly my point; you believe it is a charge problem simply because it wasn't weighed in. No other reason to believe that other than "he didn't weigh the refrigerant".



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NO YOU CANNOT BUY R410A WITHOUT A CERT!!!!
Yes, you can. The quote I provided is from the EPA. They are the folks that require certs for this and if they say you do not have to have a cert to legally purchase, then you don't. And speaking of; how did you get yours if you don't have a cert? If a cert is required, your friend that bought it for you or sold it to you broke the law.







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I could test it. I turned it on and no cool air came out. At the time of the install, it put out heat. He said we couldnt test the AC til 70 out and then he would "tune" it in.


You do realize what a heat pump is for, right?

Of course I do. You are a real smart ass
gee, maybe it out out heat because it was 25º outside and it went into heat mode.

and how did the guy supposedly dump 25 or 30 pounds of refrigerant into the system? and especially without it running?

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He thought I wouldn't know any better. He ripped me off. Just like the other 2 techs did in my past.
and yet you claimed you stood there and watched all of this.


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It makes perfect sense. Your blabbering makes no sense.
a person that spends $2200 to do a $1100 job makes no sense. A person that does not hold a tech they paid $1100 to providing a service doesn't make sense.

and who in their right mind would pay $1100 for an install and simply write it off and go and spend another $1100 on equipment to fix that $1100 screw up?

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Because I am sick of being ripped off by the hvac tech crooks!!! I will do the EASY work myself. With or without your help.

I have money to burn. $1100 in tools will motivate me to learn something new. Which I am in the process of.
then go and take classes so you can actually learn how to do this and then legally be able to do it. What you are doing now is risking a many thousand dollar fine and you still cannot purchase r22 for any of the systems (rental units maybe) that would need it.
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you really think you can learn this profession by watching you tube?! you gotta be kidding me! what if your schrader sticks open.... then what?! you dont learn that from you tube! Its not just following the steps.... its knowing the steps and what can happen when they are not followed and what can happen if something goes wrong and what to do if something does go wrong. Get a pro or the correct education (4 years with in the field experience)..................enough said. BTW, check with Marion county (guessing since you said indy) see if the install doesn't need to be checked by county inspector and if a permit needed to be pulled for the install.

I think you missed the point. The original poster paid a pro and it didn't work out. There are 1000's of what if's and none of them happened to me.

I never said you could learn HVAC by watching youtube. I learned enough by watching youtube and reading to do an install. Troubleshooting is much harder. My brazing isn't that pretty but it works.

I applaud someone who is trying this DIY. It is a lot of work. My 2nd system took about 4 hours for myself and a friend to do the AH in the attic. Maybe 4 more hours of sealing with mastic. Outside replaced the pad with poured concrete. Took most of a a day including picking up 5 bags of quickcrete in a Chevy Geo. Then braze lines, pressure check, triple evacuate and charge.

My point is I make $60 per hour at work an this took ~25 hours. I didn't save much money but I know how the job was done and I'm happy with it. My 1st system was probably more like 60 hours.
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