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Old 01-25-2007, 12:33 PM   #61
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Hey Carrierman, is the same conclusion to replace? Thanks, waiting for it, suppose to have been here today! Thanks for talking to the McDonnell and Miller guys, you are a Great Man....
Thanks Carrierman, I beleive you have helped many people besides just me with this post, they're 1002 views on this one!!!!! Thanks Again...


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Old 01-25-2007, 05:57 PM   #62
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Hi helplesshandyman

Sounds good, I will be waiting to see if the outcome is what you wanted.

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Old 01-26-2007, 12:42 PM   #63
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Hey Carrierman, got the LWCO today, but I beleive it didn't come with the blow valve. Can I use the old one? Thanks. The new one, the float looks like brass on the inside.

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Old 01-26-2007, 02:21 PM   #64
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Hi helplesshandyman

As long as the old one was in good working order and you don't distroy it getting it out, you should be fine using the old one. Sometimes it is easier and quicker to get a new one.

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Old 01-26-2007, 02:52 PM   #65
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Carrierman, where can I purchase a new one?
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:43 PM   #66
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I have been watching #Carrierman and helpless handyman discuss 'my problem' with a 5 year old Burnhan gas steam boiler (working into a 50 year old single pipe steam system) with an auto water feed that just now seems to be over filling the boiler... when the water hits the top of the glass the boiler starts turning on/off... first time, I shut down the boiler, and emptied 2 pails of real dirty water down to the glass bottom... manually fed water to the 1/2 way (4") mark, and it came up fine... I have the water valve set 1/8 open ( I don't like to have a rush of cold water into the boiler the way installation crew set it)... it has run 5 years fine... I periodically empty the dirty water. Several times I had to empty the over fill recently, til 3 days ago, I closed the auto water feed valve.... the boiler is now maintaining level ok... and the burner is operating fine...... but now the question.... I keep seeing mention of changing the LWCO / low water cut off??? isn't that the controll that cuts off the burner, if the water level is too low?? I would imagine that the auto water feed ( an added option) has it's own sensor as to the water level... my thoughts are that the dirty gunk I drained, probably gunked the feed sensor.... but then I'm not sure just how the auto feed works, never having removed it....yet.
Please ...... comments welcomed.

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Old 01-26-2007, 09:27 PM   #67
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Hey Burnham steamer, can you post me a picture of the back of the boiler piping of your boiler? This will help me out, as far as the water feeder. The LWCO does shut the boiler when the water level is too low, but at the same time it sends the signal to the water feeder, that the boiler needs water. I am new to this, but I have been working on this for a few months now. I got the water cut off today, but it didn't come with the blow down valve, I am going to purchase a new one, just like Carrierman told me to. I will definately post update once its up and running. Wait for Carrierman, Trollmaster and Mdshunk they are the pros on this stuff.
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Old 01-27-2007, 01:40 PM   #68
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I'm embarrassed... a closer look at the wiring shows the auto water feed getting its signal to go from the lwco.... as you said... per suggestion, I drained the water until the lwco light lit.... 1.5" of water in the glass, then I manually fed water, and at 3" the lwco light went out... so I added another inch to 4"... and turned off the water feed. It's too cold to to mess with the heating plant, since the boiler is working fine and the auto feed is an option... I'll leave it off til warmer weather. I think the 1.5" swing is too tight, since when the steam is up.... I see the glass drop 2" - 3" - 4" depentant upon the outside temp, and the length of run. The auto feed still should not over fill the boiler..... I wonder if it has something to do with how long the boiler runs??? when away, I have the temp set at 62 (used to be 64).... the high temp is 68... used to be 67.... so the boiler is now running longer to get to temp, and perhaps lowering the water in the glass even lower? calling for to much water..... I'll wait to see if your new auto feed? or is it a new LWCO? works.

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This is a re-write from above note.... I'm still getting used to the format....

Checked again and you are right... LWCO does signal the Auto Feed... I did check the LWCO and at low the glass shows water at 1.5"... I manually fed water and 3" satisfied the LWCO. I fed water to 4", and will leave the auto feed off until we see how your replacement works. I don't trust the auto feed, and it's too cold outside to mess with the heating plant since it is running ok without thethe auto feed.

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Hey Burnham Steamer, when you get a chance, can you please post me a picture of the back of your boiler piping? I want to compare it with mine, since we both have a Burnhan Boiler. Also a picture of the piping on the water hook up would also be Great. Thanks
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Hi Guys

I'm back, helplesshandyman did you get your relief valve. I just wanted to let you know I am getting ready to start a new carrer, this process has been taking up alot of my time along with fullfilling my duties to my old employer before I leave. Just hang in ther if I don't answer you right away. I am interested in making sure you are up and running. And burnham steamer, I will read yours to see if I can give you some insight.

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Okay Carrierman, here's the latest. I got a guy that came in today, a steam guy. He said that the hartford loop on the back of the boiler was too high. We had done it at 26 5/8 inc high, since that's what the Burhan specs for the boiler stated. He says that it should be at 24 inc high, half of the glass view height. Does this make sense? It kind of made sense to me. Now Burham Steamer, can you please measure your hartford loop, and give me a height, since you have the same boiler I have? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks guys.
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Hi helplesshandyman

If your pipe did not have enough drop on it to return water, this could be why he suggested this. I would say if you can get his attention, rattle mdshunks cage and see what his take is on this. He will shoot strait with you.

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I may not be able to get back to you til late tonight or tomorrow with the photos and measurements.... working late Note.... my burner did run fine til a week ago.... the auto feed was not a problem.... the LWCO seems to be ok, and light indicator goes on - off appropriately...as I said I am now running with the auto feed off until we get another warm spell... where should I measure from.... ground to top of pipe / center / bottom?

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P S
Got a PC? take a look at
www.masterplumbers.com/plumbviews/2001 hartford.asp
nice write-up with diagram describing Hartford Loops

AND... http://www.heatinghelp.com/steam_wat...nthesystem.cfm

And... www.hvacwebtech.com/steamboilers.htm

I stumbled on these pages and they make an interesting read.....

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