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Old 01-19-2007, 10:23 AM   #31
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Hi helplesshandyman

I will wait for your pictures and see if we can determine what might be the root cause of the problem. Don't get discouraged, you have made it this far.

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Old 01-20-2007, 09:14 PM   #32
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Here you Carrierman

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I tried to upload, but my head is pounding today, it is 20 degrees and I can get this darn thing to work! The boiler was gushing water out of the radiator today, and the boiler wasn't even flooded. This thing has taken my sense of patience. Third boiler guy today, and he never showed up!

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Old 01-20-2007, 09:45 PM   #33
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Hi, can it be the Boiler that is no good and its pushing water around the system?
My questions is why is the Boiler asking for so much water when she doesn't need it?
Why is the radiator gushing water out of the vent when the system is not flooded? I drained her out completly, even the water return line I drained, fed her the amount of water needed, and it still not spitting, but gushing water out. Supply pipe is pitched away from boiler towards return, and return pipe is pitched towards boiler. This has really gotten to me, its like 20 degrees and couldn't even work in the house today because I couldn't keep this thing running right!
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:20 PM   #34
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I ordered the auto water feeder, I've been told that maybe the water is still flowing thru the systen when its off, I have ordered the water cut off, I thought maybe the flow chamber is screwed some how and giving false readings and telling the boiler I need water when she don't. But I am coming to realize that I don't think it's either or. The boiler is pushing water thru the pipes when she not even flooded. What a mess steam heat is!!!!
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:26 AM   #35
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Why is the radiator gushing water out of the vent when the system is not flooded?
What do you mean that it is gushing out of the vents?

The vents on each radiator should close once steam reaches them.
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Old 01-21-2007, 06:00 PM   #36
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This problem sounds similiar to mine. My system is a one pipe system with a dry return. With me, it wasn't my radiator banging, it was only the pipes. I made sure all my radiators were pitched properly and I installed all new Maid-O-Mist valves. The feed and return lines were banging. The feed at the end of the line (opposite the boiler) was pitched upwards (not down towards the return line), but the other end near the boiler was ok. This led to a belly in the middle that would bang. I was moving two radiators to different locations, so I had to remove about half of the feed line in my basement. When reinstalling, I pitched it properly and it does not seem to bang anymore. Problem one solved.

Problem two, is the dry return line that isn't so dry. I noticed that at some areas it is pitched away from the boiler. When the heat clicks on you can hear the water swiching in the return line and it bangs hard. There is no way for me to pitch it properly unless I remove it. Well, I'm going to have to remove it because today it sprung a pin sized hole exactly where I would hear it bang. For now, I put a Fernco rubber clamp around it. I couldn't believe how much water kept coming out. Today, I must of filled a regular household bucket. I wouldn't think that much water should be in that pipe.

Problem three just started lately and is similiar to yours. The water level is about an inch and a half from the top of the glass (slightly above the water level line) and the low water light went on, causing the auto feed to click on. I tried draining some of the water but the low water light clicks on as soon as I start draining.

My question is the same as yours, how do you adjust the low water level switch?
I opened the box, but there is nothing to adjust.

Luckily, the level is pretty much staying where it is , so I just going to keep an eye on it.

But one time, everything was banging like crazy and water was spitting out of the radiator valve on the 2nd floor. I checked the glass gauge and ot was filled all the way. Once I drained some of the water out, it was ok. Since this seems to be your problem the water level must be too high. I don't know why the low water light comes on sometimes when the glass gauge is half full.

Sorry, for the long post, but I needed to vent a little. These old steam systems can drive you crazy.

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Old 01-21-2007, 06:39 PM   #37
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Hey Doog, hopefully someone will help us, or you will find out from me once I change the water feeder, and the low water cut off. All my pipes are pitched right, 2 inc supply lines pitches away from boiler, towards the return line. The return line pitches toward the boiler. All my radiators are pitched back to the return line, the one pipe of course.

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Yes, I know the vents suppose to close once steam reaches, but I have one radiator down stairs that water gushes out, yes water gushes out as if it was a water line. No, its not the vents, I replaced 3 times, and this time I put $28 adjustable valves on each radiator, $170 in just vents, not including a $35.00 vent on the supply line. If I shut the radiator that gives problems downstairs, guess what it takes the water upstairs to the second floor radiator. For some reason boiler ask for too much water, and if you give it to her, you end up flooding the boiler. The boiler has to be fed at leat 4-5 times a day, if you want her to turn back on. I never new that steam heats carries water in the lines, I thought it was steam heat, not hot water heat. Also the return line gets hot as if it was a steam raditor. Waiting on Carrierman, to see what he thinks. Redline, radiators are all new, and so are all the pipes from the boiler to each radiator. With all this money spent, I could of had a nice hot water heating system, but just started taking other peoples advises, and now I am stuck. Just hope I don't walk into the house and find the main water line frozen and a pool in the house, because I still can't get heat. I must of lost 15lbs today, running between each radiator and the boiler. Mdshunk, where are you? Trollmaster, any luck or good news for me???

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Hey Handyman,

I hope someone can figure this out for us. I just checked my glass gauge and it was filled to the top. I drained a little so it is now half filled. I can't figure out why it keeps over filling.

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Hey Doog, hopefully someone will help us, or you will find out from me once I change the water feeder, and the low water cut off. All my pipes are pitched right, 2 inc supply lines pitches away from boiler, towards the return line. The return line pitches toward the boiler. All my radiators are pitched back to the return line, the one pipe of course.

Redline
Yes, I know the vents suppose to close once steam reaches, but I have one radiator down stairs that water gushes out, yes water gushes out as if it was a water line. No, its not the vents, I replaced 3 times, and this time I put $28 adjustable valves on each radiator, $170 in just vents, not including a $35.00 vent on the supply line. If I shut the radiator that gives problems downstairs, guess what it takes the water upstairs to the second floor radiator. For some reason boiler ask for too much water, and if you give it to her, you end up flooding the boiler. The boiler has to be fed at leat 4-5 times a day, if you want her to turn back on. I never new that steam heats carries water in the lines, I thought it was steam heat, not hot water heat. Also the return line gets hot as if it was a steam raditor. Waiting on Carrierman, to see what he thinks. Redline, radiators are all new, and so are all the pipes from the boiler to each radiator. With all this money spent, I could of had a nice hot water heating system, but just started taking other peoples advises, and now I am stuck. Just hope I don't walk into the house and find the main water line frozen and a pool in the house, because I still can't get heat. I must of lost 15lbs today, running between each radiator and the boiler. Mdshunk, where are you? Trollmaster, any luck or good news for me???
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Old 01-21-2007, 10:04 PM   #39
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I would be very interested in some answers to these questions also. I just bought a home with a steam radiator system, i do not have the water fill issue. the water banging is frequent for one radiator and the heat seems to be uneven through out the house. the top floor is VERY warm and the main living area is cool.
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Wow, I have the complete opposite. My bedroom (furthest from the boiler) is the coldest room in the house. 4-5 degrees colder then downstairs where the thermostat is located. You have to make sure you install the right steam vents on the radiators. I have a large size (large hole) vent on my bedroom radiator to draw quickly. The radiators in the hot rooms should have a small hole, to draw less.

I use Maid-O-Mist vents, about $7 at Home Depot.

http://kingsolar.com/catalog/mfg/mai...ventsizing.htm

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I would be very interested in some answers to these questions also. I just bought a home with a steam radiator system, i do not have the water fill issue. the water banging is frequent for one radiator and the heat seems to be uneven through out the house. the top floor is VERY warm and the main living area is cool.
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doog,


I appreciate that link, I am in the process of trying to figure out what is going on with this system. If it goes beyond this first step stuff I need a steam person to come in. I just do not want to get ripped off.

appreciate it!
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Old 01-21-2007, 10:32 PM   #42
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Hey Doog and Helplessowner, you guys need to buy these vents I purchashed.
http://www.heat-timer.com/literature/PN056082.pdf

They are Great and you can adjust them, the more you open them the more air vents out and the radiator gets hotter. Doog, not for anything, but those vents at HD are junk! I had to change them three times in a month. I know these guys are busy with the heating system, but they are the ones that really know this stuff. Carrierman, when you get a chance, how hard is it to change the low water cutt off? Thanks, hope we can get some answers....

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Hey Doog, keep watching that boiler, if that sight glass gets full your radiators will start spitting water out, and that will be a sign that the sytem is flooding. Hope we can end this mess!!!
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Hey Doog, I just read your post, your problem might just be your water feeder. Do you have an auto water feeder? If you do, close the water valve that feeds the water feeder, and sit there and watch the glass. If it doesn't start to over fill, you have just solved your problem, (wish mine was this easy ) What could be happening is that the water feeder is staying stuck on an open position and water is still flowing to the boiler, give it a shot and let me know...ASlso don't forget to reopen the valve, or manual feed the boiler water until you get a new feeder.
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Hi helplesshandyman

Open the ball valve on the bottom of your low water cut off. Let me know if a bunch of rust and stuff comes out of it. The second thing I would like you to do, after the boiler refills with water. Shut the incoming water supply off, with the boiler running, open the valve on the bottom of the low water cut off and see if the boiler shuts down. If the boiler does not shut down, shut it down manually. Wait until the boiler has cooled completely down before turning water back on. If you do this to a overheated boiler you will shock it and cause catastrophic failure. Let me know the results, I will be back in touch with you.

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