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Old 06-24-2009, 11:18 PM   #16
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Just have the HVAC company take them all out when they re-do the ductwork. It's probably not asbestos and you can spend a lot of money just finding out that they aren't. Not sure how it worked in Canada but there are next to none of those old asbestos containing tiles left here in the US.

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I hear ya, but my tiles match the pics of the 'most wanted.' and they are very commonly used ceiling tiles in homes that were built before 1980. Here is a quote from Health Canada:

"Because it is a valuable reinforcing, insulating and fire-proofing material, asbestos was used widely in construction materials such as insulation board, asbestos cement, and floor and ceiling tiles. These products are very dense and do not release significant amounts of fibres under normal use. However, fibres may be released if these products are cut or damaged.
Asbestos fibre concentrations in the air in buildings are usually about the same as in the air outside, and are not a significant risk. However, levels may be higher if friable asbestos materials are disturbed."

"Friable" means easily crumbled and mine are easily crumbled. You can send a sample away and have it tested for about 25 to $50. Seems worth it. Because my tiles are glued and nailed to the ceiling, there will be breakage on removal. I'd rather play it safe, but man oh man, I don't need this headache right now. Thanks for your support.

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Old 06-25-2009, 06:10 AM   #17
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Just have the HVAC company take them all out when they re-do the ductwork. It's probably not asbestos and you can spend a lot of money just finding out that they aren't. Not sure how it worked in Canada but there are next to none of those old asbestos containing tiles left here in the US.

Beware of what you read on the internet and, remember, the information is worth about as much as you are paying for it!
Lots of abestos containing tiles left in the USA.
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You can send a sample away and have it tested for about 25 to $50. Seems worth it. Because my tiles are glued and nailed to the ceiling, there will be breakage on removal. I'd rather play it safe, but man oh man, I don't need this headache right now. Thanks for your support.
Its a whole lot cheaper then th law suit you could face. If you have them carelessly removed. And your tenants end up sueing you later. Because of abestos dust that would end up laying on the floors in corners you don't see.
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I've decided to get a tile tested, especially since we have 800 sq feet of the stuff. It's only $45 for the test. And, I got a rough quote to remove the tiles (depending on the % asbestos content in the tiles) 2 to $5000 including disposal. We are thinking of suing the home inspector who should certainly have mentioned the possibility in his report--given that we have so much of it.

Yes, asbestos is everywhere. We even had a crew removing it in the hospital where I work, which was built in 1981. If anyone wants to DIY: Here are directions on how to remove the tiles.

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We are thinking of suing the home inspector who should certainly have mentioned the possibility in his report--given that we have so much of it.
I think home inspectors only want to flag stuff that is dangerous + likely to be discovered + that they are likely to be sued over. Above all they should not kill the deal for the realtor. Your inspector might have cut this one too close.
Our inspector, who might have been in bed [metaphorically speaking] with our realtor, passed on the almost zero slope in our back yard and it has cost us kilobucks to fix the resulting drainage problems.

If you go after the guy, I'd be interested to see who steps up in his/her defense, and who exhibits "aggressive disinterest."

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In his 16-page report the home inspector makes a point of saying there is asbestos on our heater ducts, but under "Interior" which is prefaced by his CAPHI Standard of Practice: Our inspectors are required to inspect walls, ceilings and floors, steps, stairways . . . His report states: "The interior wall and ceiling surfaces are conventional gyproc panels and gyproc lath and plaster in satisfactory condition generally. The finishing of the plaster, trim work, etc, is considered to be fair to satisfactory. A number of surface irregularites, blemishes, cracks, etc. were observed at the time of inspection." And that's it.

Well, their insurance rates are pretty high, I'm told, and this is why. If this ends up costing us, we'll be going after him for sure, especially since, despite many pointed questions about the electrical service, to which ew were assured that all was fine, we are looking at $12,000 for complete re-wiring because the house is practically burning down from being overloaded (e.g. 18 services on one breaker). We had to also shell out $6,000 to fix the leaky basement. He said there is insulation in the walls--Not, etc. etc. Next time, we'll skip the "home inspector" and get a contractor. As Yoyizit pointed out, even if they are acting for the buyer, they are in a conflict of interest, because they won't be recommended by realtors if they ruin a sale.
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I'm wondering now if there are more than one of these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle
and you substitute whatever industries you want at the corners of the triangle.
What stays constant is that the little people, Les Misťrables, get the shaft.
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Old 06-25-2009, 07:26 PM   #23
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Are you now glad that your fellow Canuck watches This Old House Hour and learned about the tile issue. Want me to tell you the story about lead paint? Hopefully it all works out for you but you have some fightin to do. Beenthere is absolutely right. Lawsuits from the tenants will kill you. Better to be safe than sorry.

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