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Old 09-16-2011, 09:56 PM   #1
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I'm replacing an old Goodman air handler and Payne condenser. Have gotten quotes on the following:

Carrier, 3-ton, 13 seer 25HDC36A003/FB36T00 $3395
Goodman GSX130361 13 seer straight cool $3400
GSZ13036 13 seer Heat Pump $4375
GSZ13036 14 seer Heat Pump $4656
Amana 14, seer, 3-ton straight cool ASX140361/AEPF42061 $4484
Rheem 3-ton, 13 seer HP RPNL-36JAZ/RHLL $3850

The Goodman/Amana all include new lines, and 10yr labor warranty. I'm leaning towards the Rheem but the contractor will use existing lines and flush and vacuum, which I'm concerned about. The 10yr labor warranty in the Goodman price is tempting.

Opinions, recommendations, preference...please advise.
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Get the goodman, save your dough. If you run the #'s for the price difference vs. savings on the higher seer systems most of the time it takes way too long to pay it off with the savings. Although, those are all very competitive prices. Don't worry about the line sets, they will be perfectly fine as long as your techs do a good job, and I'm sure they will. Just don't let them charge your for the refrigerant since those condenser units come precharged with at least 95% of the amount you need, often times you have to let a little out... Make sure to ask for a thermostatic expansion valve, they are the way to go and will bump your efficency .5-1 seer(ish). Probably around $70, or just Buy it yourself online. You'll need the tx3n4 for the gsx130361 setup and a boost cap about $40, you'll need the CSR U1. Good luck!
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Old 09-16-2011, 10:47 PM   #3
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The txv I bought today for a CE3 Carrier coil, R-22, was $124.49.

I know Goodman does not sell any units with refrigerant in them, not if they are meant for R-22. I've heard that Trane still did but not sure if any longer. Most if not all are dry charged with nitrogen, if we're talking about R-22.
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Ok, now I'm really confused. You're saying go with the Goodman straight cool rather than the heat pump? The Rheem is a heat pump and the least expensive but no labor warranty. The Goodman prices include $375 for a 10 yr. labor warranty except on the GSX130361 @ $3400 is without.

But you think the straight cool is the way to go??
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Old 09-16-2011, 10:55 PM   #5
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I'm replacing an old Goodman air handler and Payne condenser. Have gotten quotes on the following:

Carrier, 3-ton, 13 seer 25HDC36A003/FB36T00 $3395
Goodman GSX130361 13 seer straight cool $3400
GSZ13036 13 seer Heat Pump $4375
GSZ13036 14 seer Heat Pump $4656
Amana 14, seer, 3-ton straight cool ASX140361/AEPF42061 $4484
Rheem 3-ton, 13 seer HP RPNL-36JAZ/RHLL $3850

The Goodman/Amana all include new lines, and 10yr labor warranty. I'm leaning towards the Rheem but the contractor will use existing lines and flush and vacuum, which I'm concerned about. The 10yr labor warranty in the Goodman price is tempting.

Opinions, recommendations, preference...please advise.

If you live up north and use heat half of the year than a heat pump will be the way to go, savings wise.

Amana which is the upgraded version of Goodman (same company) if the compressor fails under ther warranty you get an entire new condensing unit. 14 seer and above. I'm not sure about the heat pumps, you may want to ask the guy who quoted you on the Goodman.

Install trumps brand any day.
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Old 09-16-2011, 10:57 PM   #6
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Ok, now I'm really confused. You're saying go with the Goodman straight cool rather than the heat pump? The Rheem is a heat pump and the least expensive but no labor warranty. The Goodman prices include $375 for a 10 yr. labor warranty except on the GSX130361 @ $3400 is without.

But you think the straight cool is the way to go??
Where do you live, what state and how often do you expect you will be using heat?
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Old 09-16-2011, 11:02 PM   #7
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and what's your back up/emergency heat going to be, electric, gas?
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I live in Central Florida. Heat will be electric 10KW backup with heat pump or straight cool. With current system it's been 15KW electric. It's brutally hot here!

Both contractors have A+ BBB ratings. The Rheem contractor has been in business since 1974 and has an A on Angie's List and the Goodman/Amana has an A+ BBB rating, and got a service award from Angie's List. Both have very good reputations. The Rheem contractor is the one who is going to use the existing lines. They were replaced in 2003.

The Goodman contractor will install new lines.

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Don't go with the straight cool unit. Your house is not designed for cold weather (I live in orlando). The money you save on the unit, will be given to progress energy for running the strips. What contractors are proposing the install?
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I live in Orlando too. House was built in 1957. Lines were replaced in 2003. Contractor's I have quotes from are:

Libby Twins/Rheem
Mills Air/Carrier
Gembecki Mechanical/Goodman

I have OUC.

Oh...can someone tell me how to disable the condenser so that when I turn on the breaker it doesn't run? The breaker the condenser is on is the same breaker my irrigation system is on. My yard is dry as a bone and I just noticed the problem. Please help.

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I would lean towards the mills air. You could also call del-air and get a quote. That's probably going to be the best bang for the buck. I have a couple of friends that work there. They will stand behind their work. Nost importantly, you need to buy the 10 year parts and labor warranty. Not just 10 year parts..the labor is what will get you. Txv cost is $85..replacing it is $350..see where im going?

To disable the condenser turn the breaker off that goes to the air handler. Its going to be the 90-100 amp breaker in the top of the box. That will stop the condenser from running. The condenser will still be energized, so use due caution.
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Why Mills Air? They are Carrier and they have had some issues in the reviews I've read. Gembecki also, but all still have good ratings w/BBB. Libby Twins has been in business in Orlando since 1973. Mr. Libby is the one who came out to give me quote. He was in work clothes, so that kind of impressed me. An owner who still works.

Do you have a brand preference?

I know to turn off the breaker, but my irrigation is hooked up to same breaker. So when it's turned off the irrigation won't run. Any way to disable the condenser without turning off the breaker?
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I don't have a brand preference. The system needs to be installed properly, brand is the least important part of this deal. I don't know what your main goal here is, weather its price, quality or service after the sale. To be honest, I would be scared to death of a $4000 install. I don't work in the residential field so I don't know how healthy the install market is. But after buying the equipment and paying two guys to install a system to pass code, I wonder what your not going to get for that kind of money.
Not trying to scare you or anything, I haven't seen the job and cant affirm anything at this point..
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Don't understand....you're saying that the price is low?? I want a quality job bar none. What do you think I should be paying for a 14 seer, heat pump? Someone on this thread said not to worry about keeping the existing lines as long as they are cleaned properly. I can't afford to pay $4,000 and have problems down the line. I do have a home warranty that will cover any repairs.
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Don't understand....you're saying that the price is low?? I want a quality job bar none. What do you think I should be paying for a 14 seer, heat pump? Someone on this thread said not to worry about keeping the existing lines as long as they are cleaned properly. I can't afford to pay $4,000 and have problems down the line. I do have a home warranty that will cover any repairs.
I'm on my cell and find it difficult totype pr9prly but i do a lodepet of home warranty hvac work. It depends on your line of coverage what's covered. Ill beback to talk in depth..
Did you çash 9ut or why are you paying now
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