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Old 04-10-2009, 09:49 PM   #31
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We are in a new century.. I thought everyone used breakers.. Talk about fuses,,,, you are telling your age
if you're using breakers at equip disconnect on resi units you are doing it wrong.

Fuses open faster than breakers.

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Old 04-10-2009, 10:12 PM   #32
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here we are allowed to use hacr breaker or quick disconnect at the unit . If we use quick disconnect the line feeding the quick disconnect is required to be a breaker of fuse. Very few ( if any ) supply houses carry the fused boxes anymore.. I know what you mean about the breakers slow to trip.. I had a circuit board that shorted out( looked like 1 of the relays) on a package today. The board was burn up .. Breaker never tripped

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Old 04-10-2009, 10:43 PM   #33
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here we are allowed to use hacr breaker or quick disconnect at the unit . If we use quick disconnect the line feeding the quick disconnect is required to be a breaker of fuse. Very few ( if any ) supply houses carry the fused boxes anymore
I don't trust breakers.

WhenI first moved in to my present home my uncle put a Carrier spin fin 8 seer garbage can split system for me. (I have had to rechage the damn thing 3 times in the last 2years. Can't find the fing leak) House warming gift.
I wired the 220. I put a 30 amp HVACR breakerat the unit and a 40 amp standard breaker in the main panel. My wife kicked on the ac one summer and the unit still had refrig in the comp. The 40 standard breaker popped instead of the HVACR breaker at the unit.

One of my RSES buddies gave me an education on how the breaker uses a solder type material to over heat and trip the breaker. Long story short a fuse just reacts quicker.

That's why I don't like them. But to each his own.
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I've used fuses in the past.. Just hard to find these days as , no one uses them anymore. Guess I could go to electrical supply& find them. Ever thought about trying stop leak on your system.. Supply house was telling me about it today . They say it's some new stuff. Don't you just love thise spine finned coils
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I've used fuses in the past.. Just hard to find these days as , no one uses them anymore. Guess I could go to electrical supply& find them. Ever thought about trying stop leak on your system.. Supply house was telling me about it today . They say it's some new stuff. Don't you just love thise spine finned coils
Don't believe in additives. It reacts with moisture to seal the leak. So many bad service practices leave some moisture in the system. Gums up the metering device.
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they just started carrying/selling the stuff & was trying to get me to stock some on the truck..You know usual sales pitch..... I didn't bite

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A few questions:

1. Since I don't have freon recapture equipment is it worth anything to anyone if I said come and get it and you can have it. I'd rather give it away than let it leak out.

2. I used the demo HVAC-Calc Residential program to get an idea on heat loss/heat gain for my house. I entered in all rooms, walls, widows, doors, ceilings, etc. The only thing I couldn't change was the design conditions. The outside high was 105 and for my area it's 98. The low said -25 but here it's 32. The inside temps were cooler and warmer by a few degrees than we use. Also, the total square footage was 400 less since I didn't count closets, pantry, wood closet, etc. I got a tonnage estimate of 3 tons (37,627 BTUH). Can I use this figure? It seems pretty close.

3. My exiating furnace manual says if I instal the furnace as horizontal which I did and have an AC coil then I need to provide an 18" transition that allows free air flow through furnace and cooloing unit. Does this mean I need an 18" transition box between the furnace and coil? They don't show any pictures or diagrams?

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The limited use license will allow you to make changes, and add all the area, and proper temps.
It lets you then do what ifs.
So yu can see if adding insulation would be worthwhile or not.

Not worth enough to come out and get it for free.

If its says between coil and furnace, then yes.
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My exiating furnace manual says if I instal the furnace as horizontal which I did and have an AC coil then I need to provide an 18" transition that allows free air flow through furnace and cooloing unit. Does this mean I need an 18" transition box between the furnace and coil?

If your furnace is as old as your AC, 18" might have been the required size for a piece of FIREWOOD
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The manual doesn't say where to provide an 18" transition. I'm guessing it's bewteen the furnace and coil. I aleready have a supply can after the coil. Has anyone ever heard of this?

I was using the demo to see what size AC unit it recommends based on Heat Gain.

No, the furnace was repalced in 93. The old electric furnace had to go.
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What brand and model is your furnace again.
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The furnace is a Quattro made by Consolidated Industries
model # MBA 100 NH4RX. I did find a picture of the transition they are talking about in another section of the manual and it is between the furnace outlet and the coil.
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A court order was posted on the net not to use that furnace as he may cause death




Stefanyshyn v. Consolidated Industries
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For the State of Indiana
Case No. 79 D 01-9712-CT-59



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UPDATE: As mentioned on this web site and elsewhere, the potential benefits available under the class action settlement depend, in part, on the availability of funds from the Consolidated bankruptcy estate. On February 6, 2009, the bankruptcy trustee for Consolidated entered into a settlement with Enodis Corporation and related persons and entities for $69.5 million plus interest until such amount is paid in full. To obtain a copy of the notice of motion and opportunity to object to the trustee's motion to approve the Enodis settlement, which could affect your rights, please click here. Timely objections must be received by the bankruptcy court and by counsel by no later than March 5, 2009. If the bankruptcy court approves the Enodis settlement, it is likely that a portion of the proceeds will be available to fund the potential benefits under the class action settlement described on this web site.
A settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit regarding furnaces manufactured by Consolidated Industries Corp. ("Consolidated") prior to January 1, 2001. Most, if not all, of the furnaces manufactured by Consolidated contain one or more defective parts, including the burner, heat exchanger, and/or expansion joints.
WARNING THE CONTINUED USE OF FURNACES COVERED BY THIS SETTLEMENT POSES A SERIOUS RISK OF FIRE AND/OR CARBON MONOXIDE LEAKS.
Prior to 2001, Consolidated manufactured furnaces under many different brand/trade names, including: ACPO, Addison, Air Star, Airco, Amana, American Best, American Standard, Arcoaire, Arkla, Armstrong, Bard, Carrier, Century, Climate Control, Comfort Aire, Coleman, Consolidated, Day & Night, Ducane, Duomatic-Olsen, Franklin Electric, Goettl, Goodman, GMC, Hamilton Electric, Heat Controller, Heatmaster, International Comfort Products, Janitrol, Johnstone, Keeprite, Kenmore, Lennox, Liberty, Magic Chef, Northrup, Olsen, Pameco-Aire, Payne, P.F.C., Premier, Sears, Square D, Sunbelt, Sunburst, Sundial, Sun Glow, Trane, Weatherking, York, and possibly others. If you have a furnace with any of these brand names, it might be covered by this settlement. However, many of these companies also manufacture their own line of furnaces, which are not part of this lawsuit and are not covered by this settlement.
If you have any questions about whether your furnace is covered by this settlement, please click here or call 1-888-286-8201. Your legal rights are affected whether you act or do not act.
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Opt Out Deadline: March 19, 2009 Objection Deadline: March 19, 2009 Fairness Hearing: March 26, 2009 Claim Filing Deadline: August 1, 2009 Rebate Deadline: February 1, 2011



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Wow! That something good to know. I'll check out the website. I guess I'll be replacing the furnace for sure. Thx hvaclover.
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Sorry I had to be the one who told you.

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