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Old 11-27-2012, 06:46 PM   #16
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They are all 3 the same quality and good brands. Ducane is a Lennox clone and the same as their regular units. Depends on what features you would like, 1 stage 2 stage, 3 stage or modulating, energy saving ecm motor etc etc. Need to get their salesperson down to explain all that 2 U. Then come back here if you need more explanations.

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Old 11-28-2012, 06:44 AM   #17
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Well. Here are the quotes from the HVAC company we use to replace the furnace.
OPTION A: DUCANE 90% FURNACE $ 2,509.00 excl. tax for new furnace
OPTION B: DUCANE 95% FURNACE $ 2,799.00 excl. tax for new furnace OPTION C: Trane/American Standard 90% FURNACE $ 2,989.00 excl. tax for new furnace OPTION D: Trane/American Standard 95% FURNACE $ 3,379.00 excl. tax for new furnace
OPTION E: Trane/American Standard 95% MODULATING FURNACE $ 4,622.00 excl. tax for new furnace

I'm leaning toward options B and D. I know nothing of Ducane. And everything you hear about Trane is good. I plan to ask this company for the model numbers of the furnaces they plan to use.
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Glad you are asking about the model numbers! There is more than 1 model of Trane 95%.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:29 AM   #19
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Ducane is owned and made by Lennox just rebranded. Trane is very good but I find the parts very expensive but if they don`t break down a lot which they don`t then you don`t need to buy parts.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:42 AM   #20
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I would replace the furnace. It does not make sense to spend a lot of money on labor to dissassemble/ reassemble. At the end of the day you have a new HE, but you still have the old other parts that could fail any time. If the HHE warranty covered labor it might be a different story, but I am sure it dosen't cover flood damage.

As we used to say about worn out cars, "Jack up the radiator cap and drive a new car under it."
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:43 AM   #21
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Well. Here are the quotes from the HVAC company we use to replace the furnace.
OPTION A: DUCANE 90% FURNACE $ 2,509.00 excl. tax for new furnace
OPTION B: DUCANE 95% FURNACE $ 2,799.00 excl. tax for new furnace OPTION C: Trane/American Standard 90% FURNACE $ 2,989.00 excl. tax for new furnace OPTION D: Trane/American Standard 95% FURNACE $ 3,379.00 excl. tax for new furnace
OPTION E: Trane/American Standard 95% MODULATING FURNACE $ 4,622.00 excl. tax for new furnace

I'm leaning toward options B and D. I know nothing of Ducane. And everything you hear about Trane is good. I plan to ask this company for the model numbers of the furnaces they plan to use.
Those quotes are pretty good.

Modulating furnaces are neat, very quiet, but pricy. Check this out

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:07 AM   #22
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I would replace the furnace. It does not make sense to spend a lot of money on labor to dissassemble/ reassemble. At the end of the day you have a new HE, but you still have the old other parts that could fail any time. If the HHE warranty covered labor it might be a different story, but I am sure it dosen't cover flood damage.

As we used to say about worn out cars, "Jack up the radiator cap and drive a new car under it."

Yeah, But some people are so absolutely cheap (myself included, finally got rid of my ole 89 Blazer when the body kept dropping off) that they calculate wear and tear on the new unit. Had one customer who said he was actually saving $$ by running his old unit into the ground because it made his future new unit last longer by having less running hours on it. Now that is cheap. Probably shakes the gas pump nozzle 12 times to get every drop out when finished fuelling his car too.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:40 PM   #23
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Yeah, we wrench heads tend to fall in love with inanimate objects. I wonder if your friend figured in brain damage from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning?
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:47 PM   #24
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After 34 years of dealing with customers/the public etc I have seen ALL kinds of characters/cheapskates and it never fails to amaze me what some people will do to not spend $$. Some of my best customers are the poor people because they appreciate quality and good service and the rest can be PITA whack jobs.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:05 PM   #25
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Yes that is correct. It is usually the new rich that thinks everyone is trying to screw them. They know just enough to be dangerous. They completely disregard the fact that what one man considers to be a good job, another considers to be a half assed piss poor effort. They think that they are getting the same service no matter who they hire. I gage the personality of the person who is to do the work and consider it more important than anything else. Oh, and I NEVER, NEVER hire anybody that has their shirt open to their belly button and is wearing a gold chain.

Whenever I have work done, I flip the field guy an extra 40 bucks and ask them to do the job like they were working on their own house, for their own family. I mean, there are clean septic tanks, and there are really clean septic tanks, if you get my drift.

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I would say some of the blame has to go to the industry for 2 reasons: 1.) there ARE some bad operators trying to screw people (hopefully a very small % and probably they get too much publicity), and 2.) Lack of transparency in pricing for equipment and labor. Most consumers just don't have the time and/or ability to know or dig to find all they need to know for comparison shopping a furnace or AC system that they may purchase once every 15 years.

I know, a lot of you will say establish a relationship with a reputable service company and when the time comes they will treat you right. Maybe, maybe not. I had a friend who had their condo's small heat pump system diligently serviced twice a year for 10 years by one company, and when it was replacement time last year the company came in with a bid that seemed high. My friend was smart enough to get other estimates and had one from another reputable company that was about $1500 lower for comparable equipment. They obviously went with the "other guys," who now have the service business, too.

Just saying that it's tough being on the buying end of this business, too, moreso than most other consumer purchases.

As for the original question by the OP: I say replace.
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Yeah, But some people are so absolutely cheap (myself included, finally got rid of my ole 89 Blazer when the body kept dropping off) that they calculate wear and tear on the new unit. Had one customer who said he was actually saving $$ by running his old unit into the ground because it made his future new unit last longer by having less running hours on it. Now that is cheap. Probably shakes the gas pump nozzle 12 times to get every drop out when finished fuelling his car too.
" I think I seen that guy the other day getting gas when he was done he lifted the looped hose up to drain the remaining gas in the hose out" I wouldn't want to install a system for him without a premium.
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Add $200 to the quote and give him a ""$200"" gift card and he will be happy.
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All the big guys use the same trick. Yuri must have a closet MBA!

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Add $200 to the quote and give him a ""$200"" gift card and he will be happy.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:14 PM   #30
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Okay. I have model numbers.

American Standard AUH1C100A9481A

Ducane 95G1UH090CP16

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