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Old 10-31-2012, 10:09 PM   #1
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Purging Baseboard Heater System - Bleeder Valves Frozen


I have a baseboard heating system in a condo I've lived in for 3 years and until now the baseboard heating system I have has never caused any problems. This past summer I did a couple of projects that required the rerouting of some plumbing, the last of which was a return line for the loop that serves upstairs.

Since I've turned the heater on this year it has all the signs of a significant amount of trapped air - gurgling pipes and a lack of heat upstairs. Below are links for what I'm working with:

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps721ff57c.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9efd18d8.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps12cd2ddd.jpg

Here's the pressure gauge, usually hovers around 12-13 PSI:

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...psde2f572a.jpg

Also, I have two what I believe are bleeder valves in the basement, however they're absolutely frozen - they're at the point where if I go at them anymore it will just strip out the brass...

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2eda49b2.jpg

I feel like the simplest thing for me to do would be just to cut a section of pipe upstairs and install a bleeder valve... I've searched every inch of heater upstairs and down with no bleeders on the radiators themselves and I'm no stranger to firing up the torch - I've done quite a bit of household plumbing work before just never had to deal with one of these systems.

I can basically tell what the inlet/outlet lines are as well as the bypass, I just can't seem to figure out the right order and combination to get this air out of there!!

We live in CT and my wife doesn't take the cold too well... needless to say the quicker a resolution to this problem the happier my house stays. Any help is much appreciated!! If I can provide any other information that's needed please let me know and I'll get it right away.

Thanks in advance!!


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Old 11-01-2012, 11:38 PM   #5
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frozen as in ice cold frozen or,,, siezed frozen ??
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I have a baseboard heating system in a condo I've lived in for 3 years and until now the baseboard heating system I have has never caused any problems. This past summer I did a couple of projects that required the rerouting of some plumbing, the last of which was a return line for the loop that serves upstairs.

Since I've turned the heater on this year it has all the signs of a significant amount of trapped air - gurgling pipes and a lack of heat upstairs. Below are links for what I'm working with:

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps721ff57c.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9efd18d8.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps12cd2ddd.jpg

Here's the pressure gauge, usually hovers around 12-13 PSI:

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...psde2f572a.jpg

Also, I have two what I believe are bleeder valves in the basement, however they're absolutely frozen - they're at the point where if I go at them anymore it will just strip out the brass...

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2eda49b2.jpg

I feel like the simplest thing for me to do would be just to cut a section of pipe upstairs and install a bleeder valve... I've searched every inch of heater upstairs and down with no bleeders on the radiators themselves and I'm no stranger to firing up the torch - I've done quite a bit of household plumbing work before just never had to deal with one of these systems.

I can basically tell what the inlet/outlet lines are as well as the bypass, I just can't seem to figure out the right order and combination to get this air out of there!!

We live in CT and my wife doesn't take the cold too well... needless to say the quicker a resolution to this problem the happier my house stays. Any help is much appreciated!! If I can provide any other information that's needed please let me know and I'll get it right away.

Thanks in advance!!
no pictures.....and you will pure zero air out of something frozen.....
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I'm thinking the bleeder valves in the basement you referred to look like little paddle type handles in a fitting that is soldered into the piping, but have no connection on them for a garden hose........ yes/no? If so these are balancing valves not for bleeding the system. And most are always frozen in place.

Pictures of all the piping near the boiler will help everyone to be able to hopefully tell you if you need to add anything to get the air out of your system. A system that was installed by someone that also has to service it will have what is called purge valves installed that are used to get rid of air from the system. They'll be connections on the piping that you can connect a garden hose to.
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Pics are fixed!!!!!

And to answer Camon and HVAC dude, I did mean frozen as in seized... not frozen as in ice cubes.

Thanks!!

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Correct old_squid, no garden hose connections on the mystery fittings in the ceiling of the basement... in the three pics of my system there is however a valve with the garden hose fitting. I was able to bleed some air out of the system out of this valve but when I managed to get 4-5 buckets worth of water out with no visible air I figured that was all that would come.

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I'm thinking the bleeder valves in the basement you referred to look like little paddle type handles in a fitting that is soldered into the piping, but have no connection on them for a garden hose........ yes/no? If so these are balancing valves not for bleeding the system. And most are always frozen in place.

Pictures of all the piping near the boiler will help everyone to be able to hopefully tell you if you need to add anything to get the air out of your system. A system that was installed by someone that also has to service it will have what is called purge valves installed that are used to get rid of air from the system. They'll be connections on the piping that you can connect a garden hose to.
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replace the siezed bleeders if possiable and availabewith auto air vents to start i would recommend

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