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Old 12-24-2009, 11:44 AM   #1
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Does anyone know what the wholesale price of a Burnham MegaSteam396 is? I have a proposal in hand that quotes $4,900 for materials for the MST396. Included in the price are the boiler trim fittings, new oil line, and other materials. I am in Scituate, Massachusetts.
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See if you can find an equivalent on Grainger.com or similar sites.
With at least 5 prices from varied sources you will have an idea of how close to 'standard' this price is.

The US avg. median household income is $50K, and according to
http://zipskinny.com/
the median household income in your area is $71K so expect to pay about 7/5ths of std price from above.

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See if you can find an equivalent on Grainger.com or similar sites. With at least 5 prices from varied sources you will have an idea of how close to 'standard' this price is. The US avg. median household income is $50K, and according to http://zipskinny.com/ the median household income in your area is $71K so expect to pay about 7/5ths of std price from above.
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. . . . except that the only oil-fired steam boilers that grainger.com has on their site are Hydrotherm boilers. . . .
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. . . . except that the only oil-fired steam boilers that grainger.com has on their site are Hydrotherm boilers. . . .
So how much for a Hydrotherm with close to a 127 MBH heating capacity?
This is assuming the heating capacity is the main price determinant.

http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Get prices for outputs above and below 127. Excel can then calculate a trend line for price vs. output.

E.g.
86 MBH, $1300
115, 1900
161, 2500
223, 3300

So
using the SLOPE and INTERCEPT Excel functions,
$ = [14 x mbh] + $169
so for 127 MBH you should expect to pay
$1900, on average.

The scatter plot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oldfaithful3.png
[ignore the labeling on the axes and the many, many datapoints for this generic example]
shows a pretty good straight line for the MBH data, so I'd say output is the main price determinant.

But if everyone in your area charges this 4.9 kilobuck price, you're kinda' stuck.

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Hydrotherm is not comparable to a Burnham.
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Hydrotherm is not comparable to a Burnham.
Still, for stock market investments [risk vs. return] or price vs. performance, if you do a scatter plot you can see what stocks or brands are outliers.
They may be outliers because they are a better value or because they are using their good name to attract [undeserved?] business.
With enough data points, you can eyeball where the trendline is.
Then, if you see that this particular brand is consistently $X above "the crowd", you can decide if their name is worth $X to you. It may be, but at least you know what you're paying for the name.

I wanted an oscilloscope and so I plotted bandwidth vs. price.
There was one 'scope that had the same bandwidth, 100 MHz, as another but it was $50 cheaper (out of ~$1700).
Both were name brands. I went with the cheaper.
The nonames were considerably below the curve on the graph. Tektronix & HP were above the curve.

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Hydrotherm is not in the same class as a Burnham.

No comparison.
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The Megasteam is a true 3 pass steam boiler not a pin boiler. The longer the flue gasses are in the boiler the more thermal transfer onto the water making steam. You also have full benefit of the flue gas heat to water transfer as no flue passes are above the water level. Transfer above the water level is not a great benefit. This is the difference of the vent pipe coming out the top of the boiler or the rear as the Megasteam does.
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OK. For only burnham steam boilers,

mbh price
145 2008
175 2288
210 2539
105 1893

slope = 6.357277487
Y intercept = 1172.782199

So Price = 6.4 x MBH + 1170

It seems that you only pay $6.36 for each add'tl MBH [vs. $14 for the earlier list] but the whole curve is shifted up from $169 to $1170.

6.4 x 127 + 1170 = $1983 for 127 MBH.
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Did you also include shipping charges. Which vary by area?
Dealer cost difference. Which varies by volume?


The OP also included materials. Where did you add those materials into your formula?
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What we need to determine first is a 396 the proper size boiler? Over sized equipment means over sized fuel bills. Did he measure the radiation? If not he does not know if that is even the right sized boiler. It may be too large. To properly size a steam boiler you need to measure the radiation. Once you have the sq ft of radiation then look at the color brochure under the sq ft of radiation to find the right boiler size. Do not add anything to that. If the sq ft is 370 than the proper boiler would be MST396. Some guys like to add a percentage for a pick-up factor but the manufacturer deducts 33% already.
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To properly size a steam boiler you need to measure the radiation.
Mr. 03, do you have a link so I can bone up on using radiation as a benchmark for sizing boilers?


Scatter plots tell all!
Publish some typ. numbers for all these extra things and I'll be glad to plot & publish them, then we all can interpret the results as far as answering the OPs question to some level of certainty and precision.
And, Happy New Year. . .

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Scatter plots tell all!

Publish some typ. numbers for all these extra things and I'll be glad to plot & publish them, then we all can interpret the results as far as answering the OPs question to some level of certainty and precision.

And, Happy New Year. . .
No you can't answer the OP's question with that info.

His question was: "Does anyone know the wholesale price".

You can make all the plots you want. It won't tell you the wholesale price.

PS. Grainger, is NOT a wholesale supply house.
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