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darman16 10-29-2008 09:17 AM

Payne Vs Goodman
 
I am need a new funace installed.

Here are the 2 options

Payne 80% 90000BTU

Goodman 2 Stage 80% 90000BTU

Which would be the better option?

I understand payne is a carrier. The goodman warrenty is transferable though.
Any help would be appreciated.
I need to make the decision soon.

dac122 10-29-2008 09:37 AM

Any other differences in warranty? Is that transferable warranty on all parts? Any other differences in the systems such as multi-speed versus variable speed fans? The 2 stage might provide more comfort but I'm unsure if its any more/less reliables.

What's the price difference, and how do you feel about the installers? Even a bad installation can screw up a superior brand.

If these are the only two quotes, and especially if it is from the same contractor, I would get more from other brands. You might even want some quotes on 90+ AFUE models.

Yes Payne is Carrier.

Get ready for some heated responses that clearly prefer one brand over the other, and might even bash the brands.

darman16 10-29-2008 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dac122 (Post 178254)
Any other differences in warranty? Is that transferable warranty on all parts? Any other differences in the systems such as multi-speed versus variable speed fans? The 2 stage might provide more comfort but I'm unsure if its any more/less reliables.

What's the price difference, and how do you feel about the installers? Even a bad installation can screw up a superior brand.

If these are the only two quotes, and especially if it is from the same contractor, I would get more from other brands. You might even want some quotes on 90+ AFUE models.

Yes Payne is Carrier.

Get ready for some heated responses that clearly prefer one brand over the other, and might even bash the brands.



The goodman is 10yr parts and labor
The payne is 10yr parts.
i am getting a 500 credit for my old furnace from HSA

the first contractor on the payne wants

1100 total out of pocket for the modifacations and install: flu liner,gas line,gas shutoff,ductwork,disposal,flu pipe.

the other contractor goodman:
1400 for the furnance and install -500
900 total out of pocket

I know someone who used the goodman installer and no problems.
They are both single speed.

thanks

darman16 10-29-2008 10:10 AM

Charges

80% Payne
PG8MAA042090disposal $ 75.00 gas line $ 95.00 ductwork $ 300.00 flu pipe $ 80.00 shut off valve $ 42.00 liner $ 600.00 Total Out of Pocket $1,192.00

dac122 10-29-2008 10:13 AM

Did anyone do a load calc to determine if these furnaces are the correct size, or are they just assuming what you had was adequate?

darman16 10-29-2008 10:39 AM

I am sure the first contractor is just assuming.
I have a small 2 bedroom ranch house.

The second contractor said 90,000 - BTU should be fine

Marvin Gardens 10-29-2008 10:46 AM

All furnaces do the same job. Heat your house.

Contractors are different and vary from company to company and from person to person.

The key is getting a good contractor with a good reputation. That is how I get jobs. The owners could care less what kind of furnace they get as long as it works and heats the house. What they want to know is will the company/person be back to service it when there is an issue.

darman16 10-29-2008 10:57 AM

Yes, But what which one would do a better job?

Payne single stage 80%
or
Goodman 2 stage 80%

dac122 10-29-2008 11:02 AM

Get other quotes and demand a load calc. Have them show you the load calc heat loss numbers that justify their recommended furnace. Also note that an oversized furnace can cost you more to operate than one that is better matched.

Also I noticed both quotes included a flu liner. If you get a 90+ AFUE furnace there will be no need to reline. The operationg savings and lower installation cost may make the more expensive unit more cost effective in the long run. Check your last gas bills rates including taxes to get a sense of your operational savings.

dac122 10-29-2008 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darman16 (Post 178290)
Yes, But what which one would do a better job?

By better what do you mean? Which will provide more comfort, cost less to operate, be more reliable, cost less over 20 years, etc?

As mentioned both will heat just fine (assuming they aren't over-sized), so you need to consider other factors.

hvaclover 10-29-2008 11:11 AM

Here's some news for you. The Goodman is superior quality than the Payne.

Some thing else too, check into a a two stage 95% with a Variable speed motor.

There is a $200.00 tax credit on them.

darman16 10-29-2008 11:13 AM

By better i mean more efficent.

Im not going with a 90% because I only play on staying in the house for 5 -7 years. So the price probably does not justify.

dac122 10-29-2008 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darman16 (Post 178300)
By better i mean more efficent.

Im not going with a 90% because I only play on staying in the house for 5 -7 years. So the price probably does not justify.

80% is 80% - there is no difference. With a short time-frame your logic is good, but I would still look at a higher efficiency as the lower installation costs, operational savings, tax credit I forgot to mention, and added value to your home might be worth it. You might even have some state credits or state/local programs that also encourage higher efficiency units. Potential buyers do ask to see heating bills.

hvaclover 10-29-2008 11:28 AM

Just go with a straight 90% . Costs a little more but it would save you money and mak the home more marketable than with an 80%

darman16 10-29-2008 11:37 AM

From EnergyStar website:
improvements made during 2008 are not eligible for a tax credit.

So the tax credit would not apply.


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