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Old 02-19-2011, 12:28 PM   #16
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You guys are awesome. I am close to figuring this out:

The large black pipe (supply) leads to the scoop and then has a T. The run to the left off the T, goes through a zone valve that I know is the controled by the bedroom thermostat. I am pretty sure that it then goes up to the first bathroom
through the wall to the other bathroom
through the wall to the master bedroom
wraps around to the other wall and then goes down into ceiling of garage and resurfaces in the 2nd bedroom(the cold one)
wraps around the exterior walls and through the wall into the 3rd bedroom closet through the closet wall and continues through that bedroom. I then am pretty sure that it then goes down and returns to the boiler room.
THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING
The second run off that point goes in to basement drop ceiling and then has a Y. one branch of the Y has a ball valve on it that is open, that continues down the wall and into the family room with one straight baseboard run, then back up the wall into the drop ceiling.
The other half of the Y goes upstairs into the living room and throught the baseboard and drops back down near where the basement one came up.
At this point, the basement one has a zone valve installed as does the upstairs one. both valves ar on other side of room away from the boiler room.
After they pass through their respective zone valves, they join back up into one pipe travel in the basement ceiling and up again on other side of fireplace where it continues as baseboard through the one dining room exterior wall then down again, across basement drop ceiling and up into kitchen around kitchen interior wall and down again to return and join up with the return from the first bedroom loop and into boiler.

Shouldnt the ZONE valves be closer to the boiler?
When I call for heat downstairs it works however the water hits the Y and travels downstaire upon passing through its zone valve it would then heat the dining room as well as they join again. I also noticed that the pipe that splits off the Y that goes upstairs also gets hot even though that zone valve isnt calling for heat...
SO in order to get heat downstairs i am heating up as well and vice versa
Thoughts?
Going to search for bleeder on the bedroom zone today to fix that issue. is it possible that a room in the center of a loop stays cold or should all rooms after it be cold?



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Old 02-19-2011, 06:32 PM   #17
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Post pics of piping configuration.
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Post pics of piping configuration.
hard to take pic of the config due to where they are. This is what I was able to do.
first pic is the Y
second is where they come together and the zone valves are, The one towards the top of the pic is the basement one, the other one (green top) is the one for upstairs and as you can see they come back together and continue
The other picture is that little piece you can kinds see in the second picture, looks like there was a T and they closed is.
The last picture is well a sweet drawing of it whole thing.
ZV- Zonevalve
RTN- Return- bothe returns come back here and join to boiler
LR- living room
FR - family room
DR- Dining room

I know- the wire and the way that they are DRIVE me nuts... Thats a later project
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Your dining room and basement are piped that the dining room gets heat when the basement calls also.
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Your dining room and basement are piped that the dining room gets heat when the basement calls also.
Not to sound ungrateful, but that's what I said 2 posts ago. The problem is the kitchen is also on that return so when we call for heat in the basement, 2 out of 3 rooms upstairs on that run get heat too. And I am not totally convinced that the 3rd room doesn't.
Shouldn't the zone valves be closer to the boiler? I mean couldn't I just take the initial T split make it a 3 way, throw the valves over there and just run the basement as a separate loop and then have it return with the other 2. I guess my question is shouldn't I not couldn't? Make the basement its own true zone? Heck that would allow me to also add a baseboard in the back room in basement that actually is used as a bedroom for guests.. Gets awefully cold in there this time of year.
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1. Has it been like this since you moved in(bedroom cold) ?

2. Has any repairs been done on the heater or system recently?

3. Has any repairs or remodeling been done to the house recently?
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1. Has it been like this since you moved in(bedroom cold) ?

2. Has any repairs been done on the heater or system recently?

3. Has any repairs or remodeling been done to the house recently?
It has as my oldest use to be in that room, dont get me wrong I feel the heat however it is always chilly in that room

repairs? Just annual cleaning and last Nov the winter summer pipe bursted and was repaired. (could there be that water that came out wasnt replaces)

no remoldeling that would have affected the heat.
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Not to sound ungrateful, but that's what I said 2 posts ago. The problem is the kitchen is also on that return so when we call for heat in the basement, 2 out of 3 rooms upstairs on that run get heat too. And I am not totally convinced that the 3rd room doesn't.
Shouldn't the zone valves be closer to the boiler? I mean couldn't I just take the initial T split make it a 3 way, throw the valves over there and just run the basement as a separate loop and then have it return with the other 2. I guess my question is shouldn't I not couldn't? Make the basement its own true zone? Heck that would allow me to also add a baseboard in the back room in basement that actually is used as a bedroom for guests.. Gets awefully cold in there this time of year.
If I automatically believed everything that is posted on any forum. Then I would have to believe that the world is flat.


Just needs a separate return line to the boiler to separate the living room from the other zone. Then a Tee where your wye is to run a new feed to the basement along with a zone valve for the basement, and a new return back to/toward the boiler. Placement of zone valves is not important as far as how far they are from the boiler. Just that they actually separate the heating circuits.
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It has as my oldest use to be in that room, dont get me wrong I feel the heat however it is always chilly in that room

repairs? Just annual cleaning and last Nov the winter summer pipe bursted and was repaired. (could there be that water that came out wasnt replaces)

no remoldeling that would have affected the heat.
Winter summer pipe is your domestic/potable water, its not the same water that heats you house.
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Time to start looking into the garage ceiling, seems like anytime a room is above the garage there's a problem in the room with the heat. Unless it was insulated properly and and all the drafts were eliminated, and the pipes were not getting cold. Just some food for thought after you complete the heater work.

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