Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > HVAC

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-15-2010, 12:40 PM   #16
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 11
Share |
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


As promised, I just received another pilot burner from PSIntermade. Unfortunately, I'll be away from home for several days and won't be able to get to this until next week.

I examined the package carefully. There is no evidence that it was specially tested before being sent to me, no restapling of the package etc. Likewise with the inner package. It was sealed once.

I then examined the part and connectors with a jewelers' eye loupe. I could find no evidence that the part had ever been hooked up. The electrical connections showed none of the characteristic micro scratching that happens when they are pushed together. The spark electrode shows no evidence that it has ever been sparked. The burner and flame diverter show no discoloration. I don't believe the unit was ever tested.

My plan is to install the part, light it for 1 minute (I'm sure it won't work) and then examine it carefully to see if I can detect whether it has been used. If I can, I know it was never tested, contrary to what I was told.

I've been doing some internet surfing and discovered that some outlets are selling Carrier OEM parts. Are these really Carrier parts? The company that originally sold me the replacement burner said the OEM stuff was no longer available.

I'm beginning to think that the people in this business are a little unethical.

cliffkot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2010, 01:19 PM   #17
HVAC / Plumbing
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,801
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


If you don't know how to check. I would have this furnace inspected. They were not a very good design & are known for holes / cracks in the combustion chamber. In years past when I replaced 1 of these pilots . I never had a problen with a new pilot assy. Don't see many of these furnaces any more.Most have gone to furnace heaven
kenmac is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to kenmac For This Useful Post:
cliffkot (10-22-2010)
Old 10-15-2010, 08:21 PM   #18
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 11
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


Quote:
Originally Posted by kenmac View Post
If you don't know how to check. I would have this furnace inspected. They were not a very good design & are known for holes / cracks in the combustion chamber. In years past when I replaced 1 of these pilots . I never had a problen with a new pilot assy. Don't see many of these furnaces any more.Most have gone to furnace heaven

Thanks for the concern. Inspecting the heat exchanger was one of the first things I did. I used an inspection mirror as much as possible and then checked for air leaks with a candle flame. Found one tiny hole in front, about the size of a #50 drill bit.

I'm sure you never had problems with a new US made pilot burner. That's the problem. I think my supplier was untruthful when they told me the parts were not available. I'm trying to get a hold of Carrier to find out how I can be absolutely sure that if I buy a part with their name on it, I'm really getting their part. There are a lot of counterfeits out there.

A couple of years ago the Square D people had a big problem with people selling knock off circuit breakers under their name. They weren't even circuit breakers. They were switches made to look like circuit breakers. Apparently they were being sold by a major retailer. Never could find out who, though, it was hushed up.
cliffkot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2010, 08:26 PM   #19
Hvac Pro
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 9,051
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


Carrier sold 100s of thousands of rooftop units with those pilot burners so I imagine they will still produce their own 3 wire pilot for awhile. They don't like supplying non OEM parts.
__________________
"Cut it twice and it is still too short".
yuri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2010, 10:14 PM   #20
HVAC / Plumbing
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,801
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


that tiny hole will become a larger hole. I don't like any holes in the chamber
kenmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2010, 11:05 AM   #21
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 11
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


I discovered that Made in USA Carrier parts are available and ordered a new OEM pilot burner assembly from Shorty's HVAC Supplies, in Indianapolis. They are very helpful and courteous and offer free FedEX ground shipping. I got the part the next day.

I popped it in, removed my bypass jumpers, opened the master shutoff and flipped the switch. Spark, spark spark. The pilot lit. I held my breadth. After what seemed like an eternity (45secs), I heard a click, then a whoosh, and stared into the most beautiful blue flame I ever saw. Heat at last! (I'm now the hero around the household again.)

Moral of the story. Do not buy PSINTERMADE. It is Chinky crap! They told me they tested the pilot burner before they shipped it. They lied.
I put the part under a microscope and found no metallic sputtering on the electrode, no scratches on the connector surfaces, no discoloration around the pilot and diffuser. You can heat it until it turns red and it will not close. The Carrier part on the other hand had been tested. You could see the discoloration with the naked eye (and my naked eyes are not so good anymore). I learned a good lesson.

Here is a link to Shorty's. They are great folks and sell only OEM.

Cliff

http://shortyshvac.com/
cliffkot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 08:12 AM   #22
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


Just saw this thread and wanted to comment.

The PSINTERMADE is not an OEM part, it is reverse engineered from the original OEM part which means it is not based off the original drawings, materials and testing.

The original OEM part is still being made (here in the United States)to this very day and strictly follows the originally based drawings, material specifications, and testing.

I have personally ran both parts through testing and seen the PSINTERMADE parts fail in the first phase (bi-metal switch failure). I've have not yet seen an OEM part fail any phase of the testing (as it's actually a pretty good piece!).

Stick with the OEM replacement parts. It will save you a lot of trouble.
zephxiii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 10:49 AM   #23
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 11
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


Quote:
Originally Posted by zephxiii View Post
Just saw this thread and wanted to comment.

The PSINTERMADE is not an OEM part, it is reverse engineered from the original OEM part which means it is not based off the original drawings, materials and testing.

The original OEM part is still being made (here in the United States)to this very day and strictly follows the originally based drawings, material specifications, and testing.

I have personally ran both parts through testing and seen the PSINTERMADE parts fail in the first phase (bi-metal switch failure). I've have not yet seen an OEM part fail any phase of the testing (as it's actually a pretty good piece!).

Stick with the OEM replacement parts. It will save you a lot of trouble.
Yes, that is what I discovered. What really irritated me is that I had several conversations with PS Intermade. They deceived me about their quality control, and tried to make me believe their part was OK (after all I had 3 of them, all no good) and that my furnace was bad. In short, THEY ARE A BUNCH OF LYING SOB'S who sell Chinese crap!

I wish I could say what I really think of them, but this is a public forum and decorum prevents me.

In any case thank you so much for the affirmation. The PS Intermade guy was playing made games on me and had me doubting my sanity. I set up a whole test station, complete with IR thermometer, timer, valve body - the whole works. All the while the wife was on me to get some heat in the house.

Finally in desperation I started searching for someone who might have an original part (after being told that they were no longer manufactured), and discovered that they were in current production. Got it in a day or two, popped it in and had heat in five minutes.

Just a word to the wise, fellows.

Thanks again for your post

cliff
cliffkot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 05:58 PM   #24
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2
Default

Older Carrier Pilot Burner Problem


No Probem!

zephxiii is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Heil Furnace Burner Problem timothyr HVAC 79 02-12-2014 07:01 PM
Pilot lite on Carrier Furnace goes out nmac HVAC 8 10-08-2012 06:32 AM
Ignitor Problem Carrier rjs123 HVAC 5 12-15-2010 05:23 PM
Original problem to beckett burner question.. jmhai HVAC 17 01-14-2010 04:25 PM
pilot light reignition on older williams model Unregistered HVAC 1 02-17-2004 09:26 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.